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consciousness stuff that I'm always

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talking about hey hey Chris Chris I want

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to introduce you to some friends this is

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David and Marsha Wincott Ronald and

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cilia Jeffries Hiroki Tanaka and Jessica

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to remain a river behind do you find the

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vid African Omega has more advantage or

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disadvantage in the modern world it's a

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tough one yeah I don't know man hey yo

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man they were asking me about the

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African American spirits maybe you could

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take this one that's a clip from the

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2017 Oscar nominated movie get out it is

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a movie that approaches some of these

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topics of race genetics bloodlines in a

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rather new and novel way but from my

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perspective from the skeptical

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perspective of consciousness and

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extended consciousness it just sounds

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like I mean I'm just gonna be

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really blunt I'm looking at a picture of

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you and I'm going I respond man this

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gets pretty brown skinned and then I'm

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reading your background and you say in

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your bio that your grandfather was this

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kind of famous Sikh right no that's

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right I am Irish with Nui Norwegian

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background and part of my family comes

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from the northern of India when you say

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seek that'll pretty much nail it for

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people because within Sikhism

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highest caste the philosopher caste was

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called jot j8e and my ancestors are

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coming from the jatt Sikhs so these are

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a philosopher caste this is a caste that

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is known to be pure are impure Caucasian

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be off-white you know darker because of

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the the hot climate that my ancestors

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moved over to India they are in fact

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Caucasians so on both sides of my family

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it's a Caucasian blood they're partly

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from Norway and then the Norwegians came

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over this this history the land the

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blood

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you feel like that's important to you

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yes it's important to me yeah I'm with

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point that out and point all the

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corruption that often comes with

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religion because it's essentially about

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controlling people no matter how good

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the idea is initially it becomes

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institutionalized and it becomes this

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vehicle for control because it's pushing

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on all the same buttons right so your

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spiritual quote unquote whatever that

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means you development opens you up and

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makes you vulnerable for to some very

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human cultish manipulative kind of

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things and we see that happening again

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and again but let me slow down because

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sometimes we get into talking inside

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baseball and people aren't following and

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journey with skeptical because when I

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approached these topics for myself I was

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relying on science as you alluded to I

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thought there were problems with the way

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that this fake dogmatic materialism was

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being applied but I liked the method so

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one of the first questions I came to was

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this question of consciousness and then

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when you get into consciousness quickly

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know what is the nature of consciousness

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is it brain based or is it not and

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and I like how you've done it and my

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work kind of mirrors and it is

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compatible with yours but then you know

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consciousness which is really the

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fundamental question for completely

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blowing apart the scientific materialism

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you are a biological robot mean so you

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look at that and the science behind that

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is hey we've started to resuscitate all

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these people you know so the people who

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all our listeners you had heart surgeons

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resuscitate him and the guy goes in to

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such a heart like this

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the doctor turns white as a sheep

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because how the hell did you know I said

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that you were dead when you do you had

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no heartbeat I was there your heart was

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peer-reviewed papers of near-death

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experience but if you go between lives

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hypnotherapist and anyone who doesn't

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believe in hypnotherapy needs to just do

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a little bit of research but he's

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regressing people so we can find out why

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they're afraid of spiders or why they

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are afraid of heights or whatever he's

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regressing people and all of a sudden

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this person says I'm on a battlefield in

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Ireland or wherever the hell it is and

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I'm holding a sword and a shield it he

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spontaneously brings these people back

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to prior lives right so then he does

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research on that and it's good research

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Virginia which I alluded to they're

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doing real research on reincarnation and

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it's you know in some ways it's not that

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hard to do you go find all these points

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of memory that these young kids three

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and four years old have that it would be

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point and that whole thing and I

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appreciate you listening is that there's

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all this scientific evidence that

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suggests that the life that we have is

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one of many lives that our consciousness

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occupies during this existence that it

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the words because it does get into this

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very spiritual sounding dogmatic kind of

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stuff but at the very least

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consciousness survives after bodily

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death and consciousness seems to occupy

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existence isn't that fundamental to some

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of these questions that we're talking

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about in terms of who we really are yes

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it is and I see Michael coming at the

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same topics that you're talking about is

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to analyze the credibility of the types

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who deny everything your

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say again I say it many times in the

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people out there like Michael who are

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willing to push some of these buttons

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different perspective on these points

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and as you'll hear there are a lot of

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skeptic Oh in a deeper way I have a

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don't have time to doing and quite

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to this endeavor let me know I even have

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a little bit of money to throw at it as

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their to-do list that's all it is for me

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generating and at the same time being a

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zarion today we book a Michael tous area

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into skeptic Oh Michael is an irish-born

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excellent podcast called unsafe in he's

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working on so well we can actually add

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filemaker to that list Michael welcome

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thanks for joining me

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enjoyed our conversation on enslaved it

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enjoyed on that show so again a great I

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lovefest I keep running across your

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nuggets and then I'm like wow that's so

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cool and then I'm kind of still a

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skeptical guy I'm always you know

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looking over my shoulder and saying hey

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where is this guy going off the rails

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what's he gonna lay on me here and there

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and we don't see eye to eye on

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everything but I'm always amazed at some

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work so let's start out tell people a

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little bit about you've written a number

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of books we're gonna talk about several

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discord with some folks your most recent

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start there and tell folks about this

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film you're working on sure why not

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history of Ireland they they go together

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but at the same time they're slightly

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different you know the Irish origins the

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civilization is a more sweeping look at

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you know things we know about the

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movement of the tribes how did nations

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come to be nations and more important

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than that when you see these elements of

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civilization and be it something as

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simple as a basket weaving or

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hieroglyphics all the way up to enter

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the building of these Colossus stone

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circles Mon you you know the pyramid

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whenever you see these elements of

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civilization be they and even in music

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or calculation or what it might be

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geometry where do they all come from you

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know and there's a there's a body of

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evidence out there that says that it

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comes from the West and and if one

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really delves into that then

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unfortunately becomes paradigm busting

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it's not that you know that's the reason

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I chased it it's just that that's what

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comes of it and I'm not the first to

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deal in that there were a few wonderful

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characters you know like Ignatius

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Donnelly the American and others who've

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been looking into this subject you know

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and then it becomes a whole reversal of

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what we know about the movement of the

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races and the movement of the elements

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of these can I jump in there can I jump

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in there for a minute

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I want to deconstruct some of the things

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you're saying there's so many points to

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hit on and one of the things that I love

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that you bring to the table is like race

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you just mentioned race about five times

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and I gotta say I was listening to some

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of your work and I'm like I'm cringing

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every time you say

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race cuz there's so many topics right

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now that are so hot in terms of race and

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white guilt and anglo-saxon pride and

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then I heard you know at some point one

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of these interviews you did and you're

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basically saying well race of courses is

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not but it's kind of not the

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the end answer to and you're saying that

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it's another way that we've been

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manipulated into thinking we're separate

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we're different we can kind of feel

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superior or inferior which is really the

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same thing twist it around and then I

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love you have this little thing of like

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you throw out just this little nugget

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about Malcolm X in MLK that you know

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these two famous civil rights race

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leaders race changers in the United

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States and you go well look at those

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guys as soon as they really got into the

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study of race and got through their

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anger and frustration with all the

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problems with race they realized hey

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this is a game man we're no different

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than the quote-unquote white guys we

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oppose we're both being oppressed and

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manipulated in different ways so before

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we leave the topic of race do you want

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to maybe address some of that and what

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you mean when you say race well I've

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always thought that race was important

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that's why it ties into my work on the

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Irish but remember some of the other

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people that you're mentioning in the

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movement who talking about race they're

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talking absolute nonsense

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so I'd never like to be categorized with

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them even though they do talk about race

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it's a haven't seen any who talk about

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it legitimately you know so I would be

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opposed to them at that point and then

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your your other point that you just made

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is indeed I agree with that and that is

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that although the oligarchy in the

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plutocracy certainly manipulate they

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have an agenda a Marxist agenda to

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divide the races to focus on the disc

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commonalities if I can use that word and

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of course I'm against that as well but

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that doesn't mean that there isn't a

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proper academic anthropological and

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archaeological you know whatever you

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want to call it the subject of races and

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exactly there is in legitimate

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circumstances when you study say DNA or

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race memory and these things there's a

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legitimate study of those things and

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that's that's what I look at and it

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doesn't focus on the differences between

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races it actually

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focuses X actually on the commonalities

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you're right as soon as you say the word

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it's one of these Tellez monic words and

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immediately gets a knee-jerk reaction

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but when you deeply get into the

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question of race and I mean deeply on

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the level of say at Gerald Massey you

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know one of my great heroes you actually

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are starting to look at the

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commonalities between race so if far

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from being something that's there to

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divide the real story of race or the

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more the area as I would I would have

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called the Western race now you're

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looking at their kindred Ness and and

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how instead of being presented as

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invaders whether it was in the past or

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in more recent times know the real story

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of the races is that the area from the

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West were visitors and they were

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migrants and they were there were

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welcome brethren to the the nations of

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the East you know be they and the guys

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of the Goths or the Phoenicians or

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whatever so you're looking at

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commonalities as opposed to differences

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but of course we have an oligarchy today

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very much motivated by what could

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loosely be called a sort of a Marxist

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socialist agenda and they will bring up

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the question of race and they will have

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their agents out there speaking about

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race and they will have these extremist

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types who are definitely focusing on the

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the differences in the conflicts and of

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course well we've just got to realize

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that that's part of the orchestration of

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chaos you know in order to get everybody

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in a complete tizzy let me push that a

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little bit further because it's kind of

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a hot-button issue for me personally you

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know I've never shared this on the show

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but I have four kids three of them are

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adopted the racial background is

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completely different than mine and yet I

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believe on a deeper spiritual level that

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there's this connection that was meant

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to be you know I always remember the

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story of a Raymond Moody the famous

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near-death experience guy I guess who

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really darted the whole movement of

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studying consciousness beyond death and

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he's also the father of an adopted child

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and he remembers this his son when the

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son was very young four years old

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talking about a between life memory

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where the son said you know I saw you

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and mommy on the beach and I decided

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that I was supposed to come join your

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family so

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in that so take that as a little nugget

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a little story take the work of of

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course the reincarnation work in

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Stevenson now James Tucker at University

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of Virginia all this thing about past

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lives between lives and this whole idea

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of race to me just like I don't know it

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just loses all of its kind of meaning

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and significance in terms of what it

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means on an inter generation not

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intergenerational but a between lives an

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extended consciousness kind of

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perspective which I know you're very

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much into so how tightly are you holding

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on to the idea of race because I think

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it it kind of slips through our fingers

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if we try and hold it too closely as a

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person who's of the anglo-saxon race

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Caucasian race or whatever it has been

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an interest of mine like it would be say

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another person is interested in just

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general history or the history of the

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first or second world war or whatever it

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might be

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as I get into my studies about ancient

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Ireland did you know that the ancient

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name of Ireland was Ariel and Ireland is

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a very poor corruption of the word Arian

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land or Ariel and in fact the word I ran

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over in the Middle East is also a

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corruption of that word and many others

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are as well the word oligarchy oli is a

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is a etymology that pertains to the

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druids so I just I just followed

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wherever the road led me and then out of

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the fascination right of what the

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Caucasian race or anglo-saxon race or

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say gothic race whatever you have to

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call it and again collectively they're

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known as the Aria you know I I then got

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fascinated and wanted to bring that back

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to the world because I thought that the

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destruction as far as I was concerned in

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literature anyway the destruction of the

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Druids who were their original

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aristocracy Arian a stalker seized

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aristocracy or the oligarchy

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their destruction right by the Romans

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and other sinister forces back in time

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there was a footnote and so it just it

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just followed the road wherever led and

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then wanted to speak about my race as

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all other races do in fact since the

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turn of the 20th century you know we've

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had books called the African origins of

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civilization and you know that every

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single race in the world has tried to

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and I think rightly so raised the torch

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raised the flag you know for the

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significance and the meaning of their

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so but answer your question what I

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really try to do is bring back the

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questions of race and I want to do it in

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a healthy holistic non confrontational

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way so that we can also then bring to

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the table what the Caucasian race has

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brought to civilization it's a very you

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know a great deal has been brought so

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it's about bringing that question out of

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the mud that it's been thrown in by

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these oligarchs

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and sort of bring it back to the

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conversation and the narrative you know

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but mostly just again at a fascination

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for myself you know to talk about that

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this race was universal and and if you

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don't like the word race if it does

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create a knee-jerk reaction people then

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you see it's equally good to use the

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word caste Alex because really if you

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really get into it the Aria right the

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Aryan where our Aryan can be shrunk to

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Aria the Aria really is a caste and when

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you get into that then it means that a

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man from Africa a man from China a man

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from northern India southern India

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wherever you might want to go can be a

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member of the Arya caste regardless of

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their actual race and nationality and of

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course I make that very clear in the

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books and films and presentations that I

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do just it just to also you know tone

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down the idea that we're talking in some

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sort of because remember if you talk

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about the Aryans and you talk about race

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in the same sentence you're often

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thought of we would automatically

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automatically think you know that I was

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in favor of some sort of Nazi ideology

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and nothing could be further from the

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truth I despised the Nazi ideology and

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not for the kind of socialist Marxism

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that it really really was and how they

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co-opted these terms and co-opted these

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names is one of the most scurrilous

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things in history because they demonize

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down a legitimate study you know but you

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know I'm trying to bring that study back

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here as one of my interests and have so

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00:22:09,170 --> 00:22:06,840
many people all over the world have been

543
00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:09,180
you know sort of a illumined by that and

544
00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:10,440
found a great response to that that's

545
00:22:13,370 --> 00:22:11,940
why we thought I'd do it maybe taking it

546
00:22:15,380 --> 00:22:13,380
further and doing the film it's just one

547
00:22:16,910 --> 00:22:15,390
thing I'm involved in but yeah there's a

548
00:22:18,050 --> 00:22:16,920
there's a potential if it gets funded

549
00:22:20,060 --> 00:22:18,060
correctly then you know we'll move

550
00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:20,070
forward on that project but I've got a

551
00:22:23,150 --> 00:22:21,510
great website that people can visit you

552
00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:23,160
know the Irish origins of civilization

553
00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:25,110
and as I said the sort of a cadet of

554
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:27,030
that is the occult history of Ireland

555
00:22:31,460 --> 00:22:29,600
got an article on my website and several

556
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:31,470
presentations on that and then people

557
00:22:34,790 --> 00:22:32,970
can can see what I'm talking about and

558
00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:34,800
see that it's it's a very very

559
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:36,900
legitimate thing that has so many

560
00:22:41,330 --> 00:22:39,330
tentacles so many interesting you know

561
00:22:42,530 --> 00:22:41,340
things that it goes into involving at

562
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,540
the ancient past well

563
00:22:46,580 --> 00:22:45,360
I commend you for you know diving into

564
00:22:49,550 --> 00:22:46,590
it the way you are and you're bringing a

565
00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:49,560
lot - it looks like it's extremely well

566
00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:51,960
done well produced all that stuff which

567
00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:54,120
is key I think nowadays to getting the

568
00:22:58,190 --> 00:22:55,980
message out but I want to drill into

569
00:23:00,680 --> 00:22:58,200
this a little bit more because you know

570
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:00,690
it's cool to meet someone like I like

571
00:23:05,180 --> 00:23:02,730
I've met you and to dig into your ideas

572
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:05,190
and then but you never really get to

573
00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:07,410
know the person you know so I'm looking

574
00:23:10,550 --> 00:23:09,000
at I mean I'm just gonna be really blunt

575
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:10,560
I'm looking at a picture of you and I'm

576
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:12,930
going I respond and this guy's pretty

577
00:23:18,380 --> 00:23:15,600
brown-skinned and then I'm reading your

578
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:18,390
background and you say in your bio that

579
00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:22,710
your grandfather was this kind of famous

580
00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:26,370
Sikh right and so what is if you don't

581
00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:30,120
mind what is your ethnic background and

582
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:32,310
how does that factor into that because I

583
00:23:36,170 --> 00:23:34,410
mean I think it's cool if I understand

584
00:23:39,770 --> 00:23:36,180
it right but I'm not sure I totally have

585
00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:39,780
it know that's right I'm Irish with Nui

586
00:23:45,290 --> 00:23:43,230
Norwegian background and part of my

587
00:23:47,150 --> 00:23:45,300
family comes from the northern of India

588
00:23:48,620 --> 00:23:47,160
when you say seek that'll pretty much

589
00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:48,630
nail it for people because within

590
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:50,820
Sikhism there's several different castes

591
00:23:54,260 --> 00:23:52,170
and the highest caste the philosopher

592
00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:54,270
caste was called jot j8e

593
00:23:58,250 --> 00:23:56,550
and my ancestors are coming from the

594
00:24:00,530 --> 00:23:58,260
jatt Sikhs so these are a philosopher

595
00:24:02,750 --> 00:24:00,540
caste this is a caste that is known to

596
00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:02,760
be pure are impure Caucasian so even

597
00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:05,310
though the tone of the skin may be white

598
00:24:10,790 --> 00:24:08,370
you know darker because of the hot

599
00:24:13,580 --> 00:24:10,800
climate that my ancestors moved over to

600
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:13,590
India they are in fact Caucasians so on

601
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:14,850
both sides of my family

602
00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:17,610
it's a Caucasian blood they're partly

603
00:24:21,620 --> 00:24:19,320
from Norway and then the Norwegians came

604
00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:21,630
over I think is I think they came over

605
00:24:30,610 --> 00:24:26,310
in the 13th century to England you see

606
00:24:32,990 --> 00:24:30,620
and then some branch of that family from

607
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,000
Staffordshire if I'm not mistaken I

608
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:35,760
think it was Deford sure they had a coat

609
00:24:38,690 --> 00:24:37,290
of arms you know and and and then

610
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:38,700
somebody from that family we're not sure

611
00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:40,710
yet who's male or female crossed over in

612
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:42,780
southern ireland probably way down you

613
00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:44,970
know near Dublin or Cork and came into

614
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:46,500
Ireland and moved up to the north of

615
00:24:50,540 --> 00:24:48,090
Ireland and started a family line there

616
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:50,550
so and that and then one branch of the

617
00:24:54,430 --> 00:24:52,410
family the more Viking they were

618
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,440
displaced in

619
00:24:57,820 --> 00:24:56,240
lost their fortunes lost their lands

620
00:24:59,620 --> 00:24:57,830
around the 17th century and that's

621
00:25:01,270 --> 00:24:59,630
common for many many families there was

622
00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:01,280
tremendous changes there so when people

623
00:25:04,540 --> 00:25:02,750
are doing genealogy and bloodlines

624
00:25:07,150 --> 00:25:04,550
they'll find out that the 17th century

625
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:07,160
was particularly disruptive to many

626
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,200
families even even much more noble

627
00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:11,360
families and even ordinary families and

628
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:13,190
whatever but then the Irish as I said

629
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:15,050
picks up where some ancestor came over

630
00:25:20,590 --> 00:25:16,970
in the seventeen hundreds to Ireland

631
00:25:23,770 --> 00:25:20,600
made their way up to the north and this

632
00:25:27,130 --> 00:25:23,780
is important to you yes this history the

633
00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:27,140
land the blood that's you feel like

634
00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:28,910
that's important to you yes it's

635
00:25:33,820 --> 00:25:31,790
important to me yeah in a you Michael

636
00:25:35,410 --> 00:25:33,830
kind of way or do you think it's

637
00:25:38,050 --> 00:25:35,420
important in general because I've had

638
00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:38,060
this conversation with a bunch of folks

639
00:25:45,730 --> 00:25:43,160
and the the druid woman Emma rest'll or

640
00:25:47,530 --> 00:25:45,740
I think I interviewed awhile ago and you

641
00:25:49,870 --> 00:25:47,540
know she's in England and she's very

642
00:25:51,370 --> 00:25:49,880
talks about the land and our connection

643
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:51,380
to the land and all that stuff I'm like

644
00:25:58,300 --> 00:25:55,130
you know yeah maybe for you maybe that's

645
00:26:01,000 --> 00:25:58,310
how it's worked itself into your thing

646
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:01,010
but man my ancestry you know my

647
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:04,010
grandfather came over from Greece when

648
00:26:10,420 --> 00:26:07,130
he was 14 years old with a $5 bill sewn

649
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:10,430
into his jacket I mean that's his ethnic

650
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:12,770
background I never had any connection to

651
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,690
Greece I always thought it was crazy I

652
00:26:19,090 --> 00:26:17,120
went to this Greek Church in Chicago and

653
00:26:21,070 --> 00:26:19,100
they're speaking Greek and I didn't

654
00:26:22,810 --> 00:26:21,080
speak Greek and it never had any

655
00:26:24,550 --> 00:26:22,820
significance to me I've never had any

656
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:24,560
interest in going back to Greece I'm

657
00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:26,930
here in Southern California and I feel

658
00:26:30,940 --> 00:26:28,910
more at home than I ever have and like I

659
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,950
said I'm surrounded by a family that has

660
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:32,480
all this real different racial

661
00:26:38,770 --> 00:26:35,210
backgrounds I think it's real for me the

662
00:26:42,790 --> 00:26:38,780
connection I have in this family in this

663
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:42,800
life is real not just on the way that I

664
00:26:48,610 --> 00:26:45,760
feel but I believe that the science of

665
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:48,620
extended consciousness has shown me that

666
00:26:53,950 --> 00:26:51,170
it's real on a much deeper level and

667
00:26:55,540 --> 00:26:53,960
that this is how I was supposed to form

668
00:26:58,090 --> 00:26:55,550
together I don't have any connection to

669
00:27:00,940 --> 00:26:58,100
land any connection to blood why are we

670
00:27:05,050 --> 00:27:00,950
seeing this so differently we are

671
00:27:06,790 --> 00:27:05,060
because remember by a strange token some

672
00:27:07,810 --> 00:27:06,800
of the scholarship that goes into these

673
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:07,820
racial questions

674
00:27:11,890 --> 00:27:09,890
is has been done by Americans in America

675
00:27:13,210 --> 00:27:11,900
so there's a strange remember America

676
00:27:15,610 --> 00:27:13,220
wouldn't be America without the

677
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,620
scots-irish there's a bit I can't even

678
00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:17,120
list the number of presidents that

679
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:18,980
actually came from small villages in

680
00:27:22,690 --> 00:27:20,570
both Northern Ireland Ireland and

681
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:22,700
Scotland the scots-irish played one of

682
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:23,840
the most major roles in the war of

683
00:27:28,270 --> 00:27:26,090
independence and as presidents and other

684
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:28,280
great scholars and and mayors and what

685
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:30,050
have you and then of course we know more

686
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:31,850
about the the generic idea of the Irish

687
00:27:36,580 --> 00:27:33,530
coming and you know building everything

688
00:27:37,930 --> 00:27:36,590
right so so in a strange way race does

689
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:37,940
matter but it's in a little bit more

690
00:27:41,860 --> 00:27:40,310
it's a little bit more softer way than

691
00:27:43,630 --> 00:27:41,870
most people would think but cede answer

692
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:43,640
your question is this it's one of the

693
00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:45,410
downsides of the American psyche in my

694
00:27:48,820 --> 00:27:47,390
opinion that because of the experiment

695
00:27:51,370 --> 00:27:48,830
of coming to America and and the

696
00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:51,380
incredible zeitgeist in that the

697
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:53,750
incredible meaning in that right it did

698
00:27:58,180 --> 00:27:56,450
it did alienate the Irish and the

699
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,190
Germanic and certain amount the

700
00:28:01,150 --> 00:27:59,840
Scandinavians you know from their roots

701
00:28:02,530 --> 00:28:01,160
and I don't look at that as a good thing

702
00:28:03,310 --> 00:28:02,540
actually and I think that if we look at

703
00:28:05,170 --> 00:28:03,320
today's times

704
00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:05,180
one of the reasons why they things are

705
00:28:09,130 --> 00:28:06,830
the way they are is because of this

706
00:28:10,930 --> 00:28:09,140
original the wet the Western people lost

707
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:10,940
their roots you know back to Europe and

708
00:28:14,530 --> 00:28:12,650
whatever in Britain whereas other

709
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:14,540
immigrants coming across have not in any

710
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,250
sense of the word lost those roots so

711
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:17,840
there's a whole conversation to be had

712
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:20,810
there but you're quite right that the

713
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:23,330
oligarchs that I consider evil the world

714
00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:25,610
rulers have made made it so intolerable

715
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:28,190
for rih for Greeks for Italians to live

716
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,600
in their own countries there's that

717
00:28:32,410 --> 00:28:31,520
that's a crime that is a crown I don't

718
00:28:35,020 --> 00:28:32,420
care if it was a crime in prehistoric

719
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,030
times or it was a crime 50 years ago 100

720
00:28:39,310 --> 00:28:37,520
years ago or in the 1700s the very fact

721
00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:39,320
that the oligarchs of the world meant it

722
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:41,270
so intolerable for decent people to live

723
00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:44,450
off the land for them to make a living

724
00:28:48,820 --> 00:28:46,400
for their families in their own home

725
00:28:50,530 --> 00:28:48,830
territory is a crime those people didn't

726
00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:50,540
get on boats and leave the most precious

727
00:28:54,010 --> 00:28:52,070
things that they ever had to come to

728
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:54,020
America because they wanted to 99

729
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:55,310
percent of them came out because the

730
00:29:00,040 --> 00:28:57,410
bloody will had to well I'm with you on

731
00:29:01,390 --> 00:29:00,050
some of that I just kind of think we got

732
00:29:03,490 --> 00:29:01,400
to pull up a little bit I mean if we

733
00:29:05,470 --> 00:29:03,500
circle back to two of the ideas that you

734
00:29:08,740 --> 00:29:05,480
did you mentioned before one is the

735
00:29:11,410 --> 00:29:08,750
caste thing which I think if we can

736
00:29:13,090 --> 00:29:11,420
I prefer that much more than the race

737
00:29:15,850 --> 00:29:13,100
thing I think that makes a hell of a lot

738
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:15,860
of sense in terms of how people form how

739
00:29:20,659 --> 00:29:18,890
people form community form this sense of

740
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,669
identity and and then it

741
00:29:25,489 --> 00:29:22,799
it carries with it a whole bunch of

742
00:29:28,249 --> 00:29:25,499
positive and potentially negative and

743
00:29:30,379 --> 00:29:28,259
highly manipulative factors - yeah but

744
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,389
let me interject and say this if you

745
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:31,919
talked about somebody say we were having

746
00:29:37,399 --> 00:29:34,049
a conversation about Buddhists Hindus

747
00:29:40,190 --> 00:29:37,409
Jains Muslims Jews and Christians nobody

748
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:40,200
would bark twice or have any tender spot

749
00:29:44,090 --> 00:29:42,450
in a rut no rational person about those

750
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:44,100
conversations how come it is that when

751
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:46,049
you talk about Caucasian race or this

752
00:29:50,779 --> 00:29:49,320
semantic race or any whatever suddenly

753
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:50,789
there's all this tender and you have to

754
00:29:54,229 --> 00:29:53,129
you know walk on eggshells you see how I

755
00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:54,239
don't care about that I'm not

756
00:29:57,649 --> 00:29:55,950
politically correct and I don't and I

757
00:29:59,239 --> 00:29:57,659
don't care about the soft underbelly of

758
00:30:00,830 --> 00:29:59,249
people I would challenge what you just

759
00:30:04,639 --> 00:30:00,840
said which is in a really cool way

760
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:04,649
because I think you and I would balk at

761
00:30:08,869 --> 00:30:07,049
that conversation I block at that

762
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:08,879
conversation all the time when people

763
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,809
want to tell me about their Christian

764
00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:14,399
worldview I say well you know that's

765
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:16,590
if you spend three or four

766
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:18,179
hours or if you read one of your books

767
00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:21,840
you quickly are confronted with the the

768
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:24,419
historical problems of being a

769
00:30:30,859 --> 00:30:27,330
quote/unquote Christian in the sense of

770
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:30,869
empty tomb and historical Jesus and

771
00:30:36,259 --> 00:30:33,179
Jesus of the Bible and all that stuff it

772
00:30:38,749 --> 00:30:36,269
gets exploded in your mind but no one

773
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:38,759
wants to go there so everyone kind of

774
00:30:43,820 --> 00:30:41,850
keeps quiet and obeys this kind of crazy

775
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:43,830
idea that don't channel people's

776
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:45,659
religious beliefs I think you're

777
00:30:49,099 --> 00:30:47,340
challenged people's religious beliefs

778
00:30:50,749 --> 00:30:49,109
all the time I think it's a good and

779
00:30:51,859 --> 00:30:50,759
healthy thing well there's a good and

780
00:30:53,419 --> 00:30:51,869
healthy thing then to bring up the

781
00:30:56,239 --> 00:30:53,429
question of race and do likewise and if

782
00:30:58,669 --> 00:30:56,249
people find it you know to tender a spot

783
00:31:02,180 --> 00:30:58,679
that's their affair I agree with that so

784
00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:02,190
then let me tone in my are kind of point

785
00:31:05,419 --> 00:31:04,169
a difference because I haven't heard and

786
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,429
I really don't know what your opinion is

787
00:31:09,259 --> 00:31:06,960
on this so it'll be interesting this is

788
00:31:12,769 --> 00:31:09,269
fascinating because I like and respect

789
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:12,779
your work a lot so whatever comes of it

790
00:31:16,340 --> 00:31:14,820
is is great and fine we don't have to

791
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:16,350
agree and I think you're of the same

792
00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:21,090
mind what about reincarnation like I

793
00:31:26,989 --> 00:31:23,399
said do you believe in reincarnation as

794
00:31:30,259 --> 00:31:26,999
a as a reality of you know consciousness

795
00:31:31,999 --> 00:31:30,269
doesn't end when we die it somehow goes

796
00:31:34,339 --> 00:31:32,009
on maybe it's this whole idea of

797
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:34,349
reincarnation might not be linear in the

798
00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:34,650
way we

799
00:31:38,150 --> 00:31:36,630
think it is in terms of one life after

800
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,160
another maybe there's simultaneous

801
00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:40,320
there's all sorts of ideas out there but

802
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:43,100
in general what do you make of that

803
00:31:49,670 --> 00:31:45,930
extended consciousness after death and

804
00:31:52,910 --> 00:31:49,680
before death for me it's a constant ebb

805
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:52,920
and flow and it's a constant back and

806
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:55,650
forth with that I believe there is a I

807
00:31:58,820 --> 00:31:57,210
believe that under all of the priests

808
00:32:00,260 --> 00:31:58,830
lip because mostly our theories of

809
00:32:02,180 --> 00:32:00,270
Carmen reincarnation are just

810
00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:02,190
concoctions of priests be it in the

811
00:32:06,290 --> 00:32:03,960
Easter bein they're their version in the

812
00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:06,300
West but I do believe that if you scrape

813
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:07,950
off all of that nonsense right and

814
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:09,450
that's up based on a lot of lies and

815
00:32:13,340 --> 00:32:11,010
lasts based in a lot of application of

816
00:32:16,790 --> 00:32:13,350
the ego and it's based in a lot of sort

817
00:32:18,260 --> 00:32:16,800
of false metaphysics but if you if you

818
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:18,270
know but I'll meet you half way that if

819
00:32:25,790 --> 00:32:21,960
you scrape a lot of that superficial you

820
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:25,800
know marzipan off and get right down to

821
00:32:34,010 --> 00:32:29,700
the true metaphysics then I'm more able

822
00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:34,020
to see that it's it's it's more likely

823
00:32:39,890 --> 00:32:36,630
to believe in an afterlife than it is

824
00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:39,900
not to right because that brings us to

825
00:32:44,660 --> 00:32:41,880
the whole mind-body excuse me the whole

826
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:44,670
mind brain interface you know when we

827
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,200
forget about the religious intonations

828
00:32:50,030 --> 00:32:48,000
and start talking in just pure

829
00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:50,040
scientific terms I think the science is

830
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:53,520
in now that actually speaks of you know

831
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:55,320
what you're calling reincarnation I

832
00:32:58,670 --> 00:32:56,760
would prefer to call it transmigration

833
00:33:00,410 --> 00:32:58,680
and since some sense that it doesn't

834
00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:00,420
mean that you just reincarnate in the

835
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:01,950
way there's presented in the East you

836
00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:05,120
know based on things like karma whatever

837
00:33:11,150 --> 00:33:08,150
that that's to me the concoctions of

838
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:11,160
post Vedic priests are keys which are

839
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:12,330
some of those Fowler's two creatures

840
00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:13,260
that ever walk the earth

841
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:15,390
but the thing is that behind all of that

842
00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:18,810
is a pre Vedic Gnostic teaching right if

843
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:20,580
I can use that troublesome morta and

844
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:21,810
again when I use it I don't even mean

845
00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:23,850
Gnosticism as we as we think of it today

846
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:25,860
Gnosticism when I speak of it I mean

847
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,960
just a core of something the core wisdom

848
00:33:32,150 --> 00:33:30,000
that is still contained within a

849
00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:32,160
teaching you know in that sense it's

850
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:33,630
probably not even a really good word to

851
00:33:37,550 --> 00:33:35,730
use but again getting back to what I was

852
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:37,560
saying the Prive dhic philosophy

853
00:33:43,550 --> 00:33:40,530
definitely understands that there is no

854
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:43,560
death alex that when observing a plant

855
00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:46,110
or observing the size of the sees the

856
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:48,840
seasonal cycle observing the

857
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:50,820
life-form of any animal and even the

858
00:33:57,169 --> 00:33:54,690
light the coming and going of light the

859
00:34:00,140 --> 00:33:57,179
pre verdict consciousness didn't see

860
00:34:01,730 --> 00:34:00,150
that there's anything as deaf in that

861
00:34:05,180 --> 00:34:01,740
sense and that death is only the gateway

862
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:05,190
to new life so at this point then and as

863
00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:06,690
if we scroll forward to today then we

864
00:34:10,070 --> 00:34:08,520
have some very interesting science now

865
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:10,080
that shows that they were you know

866
00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:12,089
obviously to cut a long story short here

867
00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:14,520
that the organism that we call the

868
00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:16,950
universe is a totality and it never

869
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:18,839
perishes it didn't have a beginning the

870
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:20,280
Big Bang is one of the foul lists and

871
00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:22,980
yeah I love your work for showing the

872
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:24,750
shekinah II that is involved in science

873
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:26,250
I mean I'm a believer in science and I

874
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:27,359
know you're a believer in science we

875
00:34:29,780 --> 00:34:28,740
need science but we don't need science

876
00:34:31,399 --> 00:34:29,790
in the hand of a bunch of ideologies

877
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:31,409
where they're hanging up this

878
00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:33,060
scaffolding on something that's rotten

879
00:34:37,099 --> 00:34:35,399
behind it you know but that just because

880
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,109
we critique science unites it doesn't

881
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:38,879
mean by any means that we're debunking

882
00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:41,339
the necessary of science it's just that

883
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,859
the scientism behind it is foul but as I

884
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:45,359
said coming back to the point there's a

885
00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:48,480
timelessness and a living organ organic

886
00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:50,790
Ness the cosmos and all the beings in it

887
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:52,950
of which we are aware of which we are a

888
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:56,129
key part so in some mysterious way I

889
00:34:59,900 --> 00:34:58,290
would I would definitely concur and I

890
00:35:02,030 --> 00:34:59,910
lean on the side that there is a you

891
00:35:04,339 --> 00:35:02,040
know what we call cochlea life after

892
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:04,349
death but again has to be removed from

893
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:06,210
any sort of religious trapping which I

894
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:08,220
think sort of parasite Adhan these ideas

895
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:10,980
I'm with you on that and I think you're

896
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:13,290
right to point that out and point all

897
00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:16,140
the corruption that often comes with

898
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:17,990
religion because it's essentially about

899
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:20,490
controlling people no matter how good

900
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:22,740
the idea is initially it becomes

901
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:24,890
institutionalized and it becomes this

902
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:27,480
vehicle for control because it's pushing

903
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:30,240
on all the same buttons right so your

904
00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:32,250
spiritual quote unquote whatever that

905
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:35,460
means you development opens you up and

906
00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:37,740
makes you vulnerable for to some very

907
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:41,190
human cultish manipulative kind of

908
00:35:44,570 --> 00:35:43,020
things and we see that happening again

909
00:35:47,210 --> 00:35:44,580
and again but let me slow down because

910
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:47,220
sometimes we get into talking inside

911
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:49,260
baseball and people aren't following and

912
00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:50,910
let me tell you a little bit about my

913
00:35:56,930 --> 00:35:52,680
journey with skeptical because when I

914
00:35:59,329 --> 00:35:56,940
approached these topics for myself I was

915
00:36:02,309 --> 00:35:59,339
relying on science as you alluded to I

916
00:36:06,359 --> 00:36:02,319
thought there were problems with the way

917
00:36:11,219 --> 00:36:06,369
this fake dogmatic materialism was being

918
00:36:13,439 --> 00:36:11,229
applied but I liked the method so one of

919
00:36:15,930 --> 00:36:13,449
the first questions I came to was this

920
00:36:18,779 --> 00:36:15,940
question of consciousness and then when

921
00:36:20,849 --> 00:36:18,789
you get into consciousness quickly the

922
00:36:22,709 --> 00:36:20,859
fundamental question becomes you know

923
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,719
what is the nature of consciousness is

924
00:36:26,699 --> 00:36:24,880
it brain based or is it not and you've

925
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:26,709
nailed that over and over again and I

926
00:36:33,539 --> 00:36:29,410
like how you've done it and my work kind

927
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:33,549
of mirrors and is compatible with yours

928
00:36:39,209 --> 00:36:36,609
but then you know I take this question

929
00:36:41,569 --> 00:36:39,219
of the survival of consciousness which

930
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:41,579
is really the fundamental question for

931
00:36:47,579 --> 00:36:45,430
completely blowing apart the scientific

932
00:36:51,420 --> 00:36:47,589
materialism you are a biological robot

933
00:36:53,579 --> 00:36:51,430
mean so you look at that and the science

934
00:36:56,009 --> 00:36:53,589
behind that is hey we've started to

935
00:36:58,289 --> 00:36:56,019
resuscitate all these people you know so

936
00:37:00,239 --> 00:36:58,299
the people who first ran across this and

937
00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:00,249
you know this but I'm recapping it for

938
00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:02,440
the benefit of all our listeners you had

939
00:37:07,289 --> 00:37:04,630
heart surgeons and the guy has a heart

940
00:37:08,969 --> 00:37:07,299
attack and they resuscitate him and the

941
00:37:11,849 --> 00:37:08,979
guy goes in to talk to him in the next

942
00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:11,859
day and he goes hey Doc I heard what you

943
00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:14,380
said while I was under you said how does

944
00:37:17,939 --> 00:37:16,180
this guy have such a heart like this and

945
00:37:20,339 --> 00:37:17,949
the doctor turns white as a sheep

946
00:37:22,259 --> 00:37:20,349
because how the hell did you know I said

947
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,269
that you were dead when you do you had

948
00:37:26,099 --> 00:37:24,160
no heartbeat I was there your heart was

949
00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:26,109
open he goes well I was above and I

950
00:37:31,439 --> 00:37:27,880
looked down and I saw what was happening

951
00:37:33,509 --> 00:37:31,449
so you got that as a point this now 200

952
00:37:35,819 --> 00:37:33,519
peer-reviewed papers of near-death

953
00:37:38,809 --> 00:37:35,829
experience but if you go between lives

954
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:38,819
you take you know Michael Newton is a

955
00:37:42,509 --> 00:37:40,690
hypnotherapist and anyone who doesn't

956
00:37:44,729 --> 00:37:42,519
believe in hypnotherapy needs to just do

957
00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:44,739
a little bit of research but he's

958
00:37:48,569 --> 00:37:46,900
regressing people so we can find out why

959
00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:48,579
they're afraid of spiders or why they

960
00:37:52,620 --> 00:37:50,920
are afraid of heights or whatever he's

961
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:52,630
regressing people and all of a sudden

962
00:37:58,289 --> 00:37:56,049
this person says I'm on a battlefield in

963
00:38:00,859 --> 00:37:58,299
Ireland or wherever the hell it is and

964
00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:00,869
I'm holding a sword and a shield it he

965
00:38:06,779 --> 00:38:04,150
spontaneously brings these people back

966
00:38:08,279 --> 00:38:06,789
to prior lives right so then he does

967
00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:08,289
applies that and does a bunch of

968
00:38:12,809 --> 00:38:10,390
research on that and it's good research

969
00:38:14,490 --> 00:38:12,819
you got the guys at universe 2 Virginia

970
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,500
which I alluded to

971
00:38:19,620 --> 00:38:16,800
they're doing real research on

972
00:38:21,450 --> 00:38:19,630
reincarnation and it's you know in some

973
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:21,460
ways it's not that hard to do you go

974
00:38:26,490 --> 00:38:24,400
find all these points of memory that

975
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:26,500
these young kids three and four years

976
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:28,570
old have that it would be impossible for

977
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:31,030
them to know my whole point in that

978
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:32,770
whole thing and I appreciate you

979
00:38:39,570 --> 00:38:36,210
listening is that there's all this

980
00:38:44,940 --> 00:38:39,580
scientific evidence that suggests that

981
00:38:48,540 --> 00:38:44,950
the life that we have is one of many

982
00:38:52,050 --> 00:38:48,550
lives that our consciousness occupies

983
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:52,060
during this existence that it has and

984
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:53,650
I'm kind of being careful with the words

985
00:39:00,420 --> 00:38:57,520
because it does get into this very

986
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:00,430
spiritual sounding dogmatic kind of

987
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,130
stuff but at the very least

988
00:39:07,530 --> 00:39:04,720
consciousness survives after bodily

989
00:39:11,130 --> 00:39:07,540
death and consciousness seems to occupy

990
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:11,140
many different life forms during its

991
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:15,910
existence isn't that fundamental to some

992
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:17,650
of these questions that we're talking

993
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:22,000
about in terms of who we really are yes

994
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:24,310
it is and see my whole coming at the

995
00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:26,110
same topics that you're talking about is

996
00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:28,060
to analyze the credibility of the types

997
00:39:31,590 --> 00:39:29,350
who deny everything you're saying right

998
00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:31,600
that's my form of experimentation I know

999
00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:33,400
it's a bit you know weird weird you know

1000
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:35,950
and skewed but I say okay let us gang

1001
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:38,110
together all the people who you know

1002
00:39:41,820 --> 00:39:39,850
need your reaction the materialists the

1003
00:39:43,110 --> 00:39:41,830
atheist who deny these kinds of concepts

1004
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:43,120
I'm not saying I believe in the concept

1005
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:44,710
but let's see all the deniers come to

1006
00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:47,440
the table and then like yourself I go

1007
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:48,820
through and find out where is their

1008
00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:50,890
credibility what do they know about

1009
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:52,900
other things what is the real strength

1010
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:55,210
of these arguments and there's nothing

1011
00:40:01,200 --> 00:39:58,960
there it's a big fat rotten zero so then

1012
00:40:03,090 --> 00:40:01,210
by default obviously a rational person

1013
00:40:05,340 --> 00:40:03,100
says well then since these peoples

1014
00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:05,350
commentary on this wonderful subject

1015
00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:06,700
matter that we're talking about is as

1016
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:08,680
worthless as a bunch of rotten banana

1017
00:40:14,850 --> 00:40:11,410
skins and now in particular you're

1018
00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:14,860
talking about the materialist the

1019
00:40:19,650 --> 00:40:17,080
scientists the atheist the post

1020
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:19,660
modernists oh right is there anyone else

1021
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:21,250
we want to lump in that category even

1022
00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:23,290
even some people who are on the

1023
00:40:27,450 --> 00:40:25,150
religious side because their their

1024
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:27,460
belief and religion is so tawdry so

1025
00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:28,250
empty and

1026
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:30,200
so psychologically base that you might

1027
00:40:32,590 --> 00:40:31,520
as well lump them in with the ones who

1028
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,600
would say there's no such thing as

1029
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,640
spirit if your belief in spirit is so

1030
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:36,560
Haywired anxiety-ridden

1031
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:40,010
and poorly thought art you know in other

1032
00:40:43,780 --> 00:40:41,330
words matters of faith as opposed to

1033
00:40:45,130 --> 00:40:43,790
matters of knowledge yeah then you know

1034
00:40:46,570 --> 00:40:45,140
they're not exactly as bad as the first

1035
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:46,580
group we talked about but you might as

1036
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:47,810
well lump them in because they just

1037
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:50,090
muddy the waters as you try to express

1038
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:51,710
and truly philosophical terms and

1039
00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:53,570
logical terms the existence of the

1040
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,550
spirit these guys are going to get up

1041
00:40:58,690 --> 00:40:57,440
with their own and and make the

1042
00:41:00,670 --> 00:40:58,700
muddy the water so much that actually

1043
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,680
the Atheist has a sort of a half insider

1044
00:41:03,970 --> 00:41:02,240
smile on his face going when you guys

1045
00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:03,980
finish then you'll deal with us so I

1046
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:05,750
want those religious nut bolts that be

1047
00:41:09,310 --> 00:41:07,610
silent so that we can then take on the

1048
00:41:10,930 --> 00:41:09,320
more spurious people who are changing

1049
00:41:12,820 --> 00:41:10,940
history with their materialistic

1050
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:12,830
philosophy and who permeate most of the

1051
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:14,810
institutions of our world we've got to

1052
00:41:20,170 --> 00:41:17,450
handle their bullcrap you know in in

1053
00:41:22,090 --> 00:41:20,180
very rational but very forceful terms

1054
00:41:24,490 --> 00:41:22,100
and the end and deconstruct and

1055
00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:24,500
dismantle materialism and it can be done

1056
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:26,660
rather relatively easily it's one of the

1057
00:41:30,370 --> 00:41:28,250
things I specialize in or at least I

1058
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:30,380
specialize in the philosophies that do

1059
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:31,730
it you know and then try to sort of like

1060
00:41:35,290 --> 00:41:33,890
you said earlier bring it in a layman's

1061
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,300
terms to people so that you know the

1062
00:41:39,370 --> 00:41:37,760
problem isn't so hard for you know

1063
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:39,380
people who are busy and have a life and

1064
00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:42,290
and and inwardly know what we're talking

1065
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,390
about now but would love to have the

1066
00:41:47,410 --> 00:41:45,920
proof that's why I champion your book

1067
00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:47,420
your book is one of the things on

1068
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:49,070
people's they need it on their shelves

1069
00:41:52,930 --> 00:41:50,930
as one of the key books of the modern

1070
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,940
age that actually do exactly what we're

1071
00:41:56,380 --> 00:41:54,560
talking about which is bring the war to

1072
00:41:58,810 --> 00:41:56,390
the enemy seek them out and don't get

1073
00:42:01,300 --> 00:41:58,820
caught up in these little tangent you

1074
00:42:03,250 --> 00:42:01,310
know conversations they can wait they

1075
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:03,260
can absolutely wait but then to top off

1076
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:04,730
what you know might comment on your

1077
00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:06,650
question there is really that in the end

1078
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:08,840
it has to be nothing to do with faith it

1079
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:11,450
has to be knowledge so in my concept of

1080
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,010
spirit it's about personal knowledge

1081
00:42:16,330 --> 00:42:14,960
it's not about belief at all so if

1082
00:42:17,590 --> 00:42:16,340
somebody wants to ask me do I believe in

1083
00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:17,600
God I would immediately have to say no

1084
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:19,400
because I know what you're talking about

1085
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:21,050
you're talking about some theological

1086
00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:22,490
construct and you're probably talking

1087
00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:24,830
about faith I have to say no then

1088
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:27,830
because I qualify on both those accounts

1089
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:29,770
knowledge of the Spirit in your life

1090
00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:32,480
tangible intimate knowledge of it right

1091
00:42:37,390 --> 00:42:34,870
is is a completely different

1092
00:42:38,830 --> 00:42:37,400
understanding obviously and so in that

1093
00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:38,840
in that regard I would I would split

1094
00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:40,670
hairs there but but in general yeah and

1095
00:42:43,630 --> 00:42:41,150
general

1096
00:42:44,829 --> 00:42:43,640
it needs to be taken to the materialist

1097
00:42:46,779 --> 00:42:44,839
atheist because their theories are

1098
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,789
bankrupt and we need to prove that you

1099
00:42:50,859 --> 00:42:48,319
know there's a couple of ways that I

1100
00:42:52,299 --> 00:42:50,869
could take this and and I will I'm just

1101
00:42:55,299 --> 00:42:52,309
trying to figure out which order to do

1102
00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:55,309
it in but you have this one phrase that

1103
00:43:01,210 --> 00:42:57,710
you've coined that I think is so

1104
00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:01,220
wonderful and so unique and I want to

1105
00:43:05,289 --> 00:43:02,750
explore it for a minute because it

1106
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:05,299
really resonated with me and you say

1107
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:08,930
conspiracy work is spiritual work and

1108
00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:11,930
and this is something that I've come to

1109
00:43:18,849 --> 00:43:15,260
Heather slowly I hid you know I can

1110
00:43:21,609 --> 00:43:18,859
still remember quite clearly probably

1111
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:21,619
only five or six years ago really

1112
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:23,690
getting interested in conspiracies or

1113
00:43:28,809 --> 00:43:26,720
and more than interested I was you know

1114
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:28,819
sucked in like we all get when we

1115
00:43:33,549 --> 00:43:31,130
realized that truth when you go oh my

1116
00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:33,559
god could this possibly be true and I

1117
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:35,390
remember the first thing I dove into was

1118
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:38,000
JFK and I kind of got into it and I

1119
00:43:42,670 --> 00:43:39,650
wrapped my arms around and I said oh my

1120
00:43:45,279 --> 00:43:42,680
god this was a coup it was a coup d'etat

1121
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:45,289
but I remember sitting there with my

1122
00:43:50,109 --> 00:43:47,210
wife on the side of the bed saying you

1123
00:43:51,819 --> 00:43:50,119
know I got to admit you know it really

1124
00:43:54,940 --> 00:43:51,829
is as bad as everyone said it really was

1125
00:43:58,510 --> 00:43:54,950
a coup I said but that 9/11 stuff I mean

1126
00:44:00,370 --> 00:43:58,520
I would never go that far and I always

1127
00:44:04,329 --> 00:44:00,380
think back about that moment because

1128
00:44:06,579 --> 00:44:04,339
invariably every conspiracy that I've

1129
00:44:09,069 --> 00:44:06,589
looked bad since then has been played

1130
00:44:12,099 --> 00:44:09,079
out the same way oh my god that couldn't

1131
00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:12,109
possibly be true and then the more you

1132
00:44:17,710 --> 00:44:15,230
dig into it the more you kind of have to

1133
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:17,720
deal with that grinding in the pit of

1134
00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:19,730
your stomach when you realize that the

1135
00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:22,700
world isn't what you had hoped it was

1136
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:26,329
and but the real payoff at the end is

1137
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:29,839
your phrase is that that eye opening

1138
00:44:37,630 --> 00:44:34,250
that conspiracy work is essentially an

1139
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,640
element of anyone's spiritual work

1140
00:44:42,609 --> 00:44:39,680
because if you're not willing to do that

1141
00:44:44,890 --> 00:44:42,619
work well will you fill it in well what

1142
00:44:47,410 --> 00:44:44,900
about the people who say hey I don't

1143
00:44:52,269 --> 00:44:47,420
need to look at all that stuff I'm just

1144
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:52,279
a happy new age life is wonderful spirit

1145
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:54,440
is good

1146
00:44:58,450 --> 00:44:57,049
kind of person talk to that because you

1147
00:45:00,039 --> 00:44:58,460
have some interesting things well most

1148
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:00,049
of the world is exactly as you described

1149
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:01,369
it those are the can of people so what

1150
00:45:04,059 --> 00:45:01,970
has happened

1151
00:45:06,190 --> 00:45:04,069
conspiracies come looking for them this

1152
00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:06,200
is what spiritual work because we are

1153
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:08,750
here to uncover truth and and that is a

1154
00:45:11,740 --> 00:45:10,250
different kind of process than most

1155
00:45:13,059 --> 00:45:11,750
people come into the world thinking and

1156
00:45:14,829 --> 00:45:13,069
most people by the time they've reached

1157
00:45:16,569 --> 00:45:14,839
their 20s and 30s have a false idea of

1158
00:45:18,010 --> 00:45:16,579
what it means to learn something and to

1159
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:18,020
come to truth about something and to

1160
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:19,369
come to knowledge as opposed to faith

1161
00:45:24,490 --> 00:45:22,640
and belief the seeking of real knowledge

1162
00:45:26,049 --> 00:45:24,500
is deconstructive once you have

1163
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:26,059
eliminated the impossible whatever

1164
00:45:28,839 --> 00:45:28,250
remains no matter how improbable must be

1165
00:45:33,690 --> 00:45:28,849
the truth

1166
00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:34,930
enterprise

1167
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:37,369
you know and and also paradigm right and

1168
00:45:41,950 --> 00:45:39,530
because there is so much deception in

1169
00:45:43,299 --> 00:45:41,960
our world and only complete idiot would

1170
00:45:44,529 --> 00:45:43,309
deny that that's the case look at the

1171
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:44,539
medical profession look at all the

1172
00:45:49,539 --> 00:45:46,970
abuses of scientism and all the rest of

1173
00:45:50,859 --> 00:45:49,549
it so we are surrounded by deception and

1174
00:45:53,650 --> 00:45:50,869
then we have the phenomenon of

1175
00:45:56,020 --> 00:45:53,660
self-deception within so given that that

1176
00:45:57,490 --> 00:45:56,030
is the case the coming to truth the

1177
00:45:59,980 --> 00:45:57,500
coming to any kind of Archimedean point

1178
00:46:01,299 --> 00:45:59,990
which you can say this is what I am this

1179
00:46:03,549 --> 00:46:01,309
is what I believe and to do it on

1180
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:03,559
rational grounds is a very complicated

1181
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:06,470
apathetic process and that is not taught

1182
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:10,880
in our educational institutions so it's

1183
00:46:14,859 --> 00:46:12,950
worse than non taught right you were

1184
00:46:17,410 --> 00:46:14,869
taught that this is something that you

1185
00:46:21,279 --> 00:46:17,420
don't want to engage in right oh yeah

1186
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:21,289
yeah you are if you try to do as we're

1187
00:46:24,430 --> 00:46:22,910
talking about you will be penalized and

1188
00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:24,440
you'll be given the DS as opposed to the

1189
00:46:30,010 --> 00:46:26,630
A's now they want you conformist they

1190
00:46:31,299 --> 00:46:30,020
want you deeply conformist now there's a

1191
00:46:33,220 --> 00:46:31,309
lot of elements to this there's both

1192
00:46:34,450 --> 00:46:33,230
positive and negative sides what we're

1193
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:34,460
talking about basically is is the

1194
00:46:38,019 --> 00:46:36,529
heightening of critical skills and

1195
00:46:40,329 --> 00:46:38,029
judgmental skills and our society

1196
00:46:41,980 --> 00:46:40,339
certainly doesn't want that they want

1197
00:46:43,329 --> 00:46:41,990
you to know a lot of sorry they want you

1198
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:43,339
to believe a lot of things and have

1199
00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:44,450
faith in a lot of things but they don't

1200
00:46:47,650 --> 00:46:45,950
really want you knowing like going up to

1201
00:46:49,029 --> 00:46:47,660
the canvas and smelling the paint they

1202
00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:49,039
don't want you doing that they don't

1203
00:46:53,230 --> 00:46:50,750
want you gaining a true perspective on

1204
00:46:56,049 --> 00:46:53,240
life so what becomes holy work is just

1205
00:46:58,029 --> 00:46:56,059
one definition anyway you know for this

1206
00:46:59,859 --> 00:46:58,039
conversation purposes is that you've got

1207
00:47:00,819 --> 00:46:59,869
to do it yourself you when you realize

1208
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,829
that none of the institutions that

1209
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,480
they're gonna help you right then it

1210
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:04,160
becomes something where this the circle

1211
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:07,369
is shrunk now to your own you know

1212
00:47:09,550 --> 00:47:08,090
domain

1213
00:47:10,780 --> 00:47:09,560
where you're gonna have to pick up the

1214
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:10,790
slack you're gonna have to spend the

1215
00:47:16,270 --> 00:47:13,090
money on the books it's a frightfully

1216
00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:16,280
difficult experience it's costly you can

1217
00:47:18,940 --> 00:47:17,900
feel very alienated from the world that

1218
00:47:20,620 --> 00:47:18,950
you grew up in and from people around

1219
00:47:22,540 --> 00:47:20,630
you don't understand the process you're

1220
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:22,550
on or why you even want to do it so this

1221
00:47:26,050 --> 00:47:24,170
is where then becomes holy work but in

1222
00:47:29,350 --> 00:47:26,060
the bigger sense why it's holy work is

1223
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,360
simply because it's it's you cannot into

1224
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:31,280
it ceases to be and just a mere

1225
00:47:37,570 --> 00:47:34,250
intellectual process in which some

1226
00:47:39,820 --> 00:47:37,580
intellectual person who has a great

1227
00:47:41,590 --> 00:47:39,830
brain let's say and there are so many of

1228
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:41,600
those in our world you know Nobel

1229
00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:43,610
laureates and menses and all but we you

1230
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:44,630
and I would talk to them and they and

1231
00:47:48,250 --> 00:47:46,490
we'd make them into infants in seconds

1232
00:47:50,590 --> 00:47:48,260
because they simply have not worked with

1233
00:47:53,110 --> 00:47:50,600
this apophatic type of learning so the

1234
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:53,120
man then who has done this I believe is

1235
00:47:57,940 --> 00:47:56,210
a special category person who is is is

1236
00:47:59,500 --> 00:47:57,950
in my mind a sage you know I did a

1237
00:48:02,020 --> 00:47:59,510
podcast recently called the sage in the

1238
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:02,030
Psychopaths and to me the sage is

1239
00:48:05,650 --> 00:48:04,010
defined by that ability that regardless

1240
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:05,660
of what the institutions did or didn't

1241
00:48:10,570 --> 00:48:08,720
do he stood outside the city walls like

1242
00:48:12,460 --> 00:48:10,580
the Buddha he went down he sat under a

1243
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:12,470
tree and he went let's start from the

1244
00:48:17,010 --> 00:48:14,510
beginning let's start from the ABCs and

1245
00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:17,020
and then he built up personalistic

1246
00:48:21,790 --> 00:48:19,670
understanding of the way things are

1247
00:48:24,010 --> 00:48:21,800
through into a critical process that as

1248
00:48:25,690 --> 00:48:24,020
a service is apophatic is deconstructive

1249
00:48:27,790 --> 00:48:25,700
that's basically why I call it holy work

1250
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:27,800
I can't see how it's not you know at one

1251
00:48:33,730 --> 00:48:31,130
point you mentioned Siddhartha rode in

1252
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:33,740
one of your talks and I I don't know but

1253
00:48:38,670 --> 00:48:36,110
I gravitated on that because I I loved

1254
00:48:42,060 --> 00:48:38,680
that work and I think that work is so

1255
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:42,070
multifaceted beyond you know especially

1256
00:48:49,150 --> 00:48:45,530
its origins but is that partially what

1257
00:48:51,370 --> 00:48:49,160
you mean here yeah utterly and of course

1258
00:48:53,170 --> 00:48:51,380
I emphasize that it's a partly mythical

1259
00:48:54,220 --> 00:48:53,180
it's the if once you start going on the

1260
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:54,230
journey you'll have certain sink

1261
00:48:56,770 --> 00:48:55,610
synchronicities because others have

1262
00:48:57,460 --> 00:48:56,780
walked the path before you there's no

1263
00:48:59,080 --> 00:48:57,470
doubt about that

1264
00:49:00,640 --> 00:48:59,090
but there's a part that comes on the on

1265
00:49:02,380 --> 00:49:00,650
the forest journey when you're climbing

1266
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:02,390
up the mountain where some people can't

1267
00:49:05,350 --> 00:49:03,650
breathe if they go any further up the

1268
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:05,360
mountain and and some others can so at

1269
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:06,770
some point it will become deeply

1270
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:08,090
personal istic and that is one of my

1271
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:09,890
great fascinations my book disciples the

1272
00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:12,110
mysterium that makes a case for that the

1273
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:14,150
subtitle is you know inquiry in the

1274
00:49:18,730 --> 00:49:16,610
selfhood and it's about that final steps

1275
00:49:20,890 --> 00:49:18,740
of the journey where you really will

1276
00:49:21,819 --> 00:49:20,900
have to walk unaccompanied and that's a

1277
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:21,829
whole you know not too

1278
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:23,390
people have written about that but the

1279
00:49:26,769 --> 00:49:25,130
rest of the journey is in the Joseph

1280
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:26,779
Campbell sense or the Jungian sense

1281
00:49:29,739 --> 00:49:28,249
mythical because you're not the only

1282
00:49:31,779 --> 00:49:29,749
chump that's walked the path of in life

1283
00:49:33,130 --> 00:49:31,789
and others have gone before you and you

1284
00:49:34,779 --> 00:49:33,140
know there's gonna be certain signposts

1285
00:49:35,319 --> 00:49:34,789
along the way and by the way one of your

1286
00:49:38,140 --> 00:49:35,329
jobs

1287
00:49:40,329 --> 00:49:38,150
if you meet a block on the great road

1288
00:49:42,969 --> 00:49:40,339
the pilgrims progress is to not only ask

1289
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:42,979
what what you know what banana left it

1290
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:44,690
here for me to encounter and now that

1291
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:46,160
I've encountered it should I not remove

1292
00:49:50,469 --> 00:49:47,839
it for those who've come behind me so

1293
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,479
there's a duty the holy work is also

1294
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:52,400
very much about a duty that you have a

1295
00:49:57,130 --> 00:49:55,609
responsibility that you have to wave a

1296
00:50:00,370 --> 00:49:57,140
finger at the gods who went ahead of you

1297
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:00,380
go hey you left this here well what's

1298
00:50:04,329 --> 00:50:02,690
your game I find fault in that yeah at

1299
00:50:05,949 --> 00:50:04,339
the same time then have a duty to those

1300
00:50:07,809 --> 00:50:05,959
who've come behind you to are suckers

1301
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:07,819
and say I'm gonna remove this so my

1302
00:50:11,319 --> 00:50:09,410
brothers have an easier Road to climb on

1303
00:50:13,539 --> 00:50:11,329
and they're not scarred and battered and

1304
00:50:15,130 --> 00:50:13,549
beaten you know like I am so there's a

1305
00:50:16,930 --> 00:50:15,140
tremendous responsibility that also

1306
00:50:19,630 --> 00:50:16,940
makes it a holy work you know yes yes

1307
00:50:22,420 --> 00:50:19,640
yes it let me circle back to this

1308
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:22,430
siddhart a road that you mentioned you

1309
00:50:27,849 --> 00:50:24,410
know of course the Herman has Herman

1310
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:27,859
Hesse I don't I'm not try a wonderful

1311
00:50:35,140 --> 00:50:32,319
book which part of that journey are you

1312
00:50:37,569 --> 00:50:35,150
thinking of I mean there's that the

1313
00:50:40,689 --> 00:50:37,579
wonderful thing about that book is he is

1314
00:50:42,759 --> 00:50:40,699
all those different things he is the the

1315
00:50:46,349 --> 00:50:42,769
sage in the forest who can sit around

1316
00:50:48,789 --> 00:50:46,359
the campfire and beat down the

1317
00:50:51,069 --> 00:50:48,799
intellectuals of the day at their own

1318
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,079
game but he can also walk through the

1319
00:50:56,859 --> 00:50:53,599
forest by himself but he can also then

1320
00:51:00,430 --> 00:50:56,869
eventually sit by the side of the river

1321
00:51:04,089 --> 00:51:00,440
and be a man who's lived a human life

1322
00:51:06,609 --> 00:51:04,099
and has had lover and had a child and

1323
00:51:09,309 --> 00:51:06,619
had that child do all the things the

1324
00:51:12,249 --> 00:51:09,319
children do and yet he's come to an age

1325
00:51:14,049 --> 00:51:12,259
where he can accept that you know his

1326
00:51:17,979 --> 00:51:14,059
life is what it is I mean it's a

1327
00:51:21,609 --> 00:51:17,989
wonderful story which part of that story

1328
00:51:24,219 --> 00:51:21,619
are you drawn to do you relate to as

1329
00:51:26,890 --> 00:51:24,229
part of your spiritual work where you're

1330
00:51:29,289 --> 00:51:26,900
at well I'd say the early parts because

1331
00:51:30,759 --> 00:51:29,299
in Hermann Hesse a you know his book

1332
00:51:32,439 --> 00:51:30,769
Demian I certainly highly recommend

1333
00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:32,449
Steppenwolf and Siddhartha that you're

1334
00:51:35,180 --> 00:51:34,430
talking about for me you see it's about

1335
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,190
the egg

1336
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:37,200
the existential journey or the holy work

1337
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,940
begins when you realize that although

1338
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:40,800
you do have political forces and

1339
00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:44,160
educational forces right colluding to

1340
00:51:47,780 --> 00:51:45,780
keep you in serfdom and that means

1341
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:47,790
economic that means intellectual and all

1342
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:50,130
the rest of it or at least they'll give

1343
00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:51,960
you some if you jump through enough of

1344
00:51:55,099 --> 00:51:53,160
their hoops they'll still give you some

1345
00:51:57,230 --> 00:51:55,109
awards for being you know some bright

1346
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,240
boy or whatever but this is lunacy right

1347
00:52:01,069 --> 00:51:58,800
this distance to two tional ization and

1348
00:52:02,839 --> 00:52:01,079
it's also a form of demagoguery hey

1349
00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:02,849
instead of having one stripe we'll give

1350
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,420
you a three

1351
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:05,760
it's just demagoguery right and then you

1352
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:07,290
and then all your needs are met right no

1353
00:52:11,180 --> 00:52:09,420
so the early existentialist is saying I

1354
00:52:13,339 --> 00:52:11,190
understand that these institutions exist

1355
00:52:14,750 --> 00:52:13,349
that hold me down and and smother my

1356
00:52:16,460 --> 00:52:14,760
spirit but there's another institution

1357
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:16,470
that exists that does the same and

1358
00:52:19,819 --> 00:52:17,910
probably even worse and that's called

1359
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:19,829
the masses that's the collective the

1360
00:52:23,660 --> 00:52:22,079
collective is a form of tyranny and this

1361
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:23,670
comes out of the teachings of so when

1362
00:52:27,380 --> 00:52:25,770
you read it in HESA and men like that

1363
00:52:28,819 --> 00:52:27,390
they're picking it up from people like

1364
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:28,829
Kierkegaard and people like Nietzsche

1365
00:52:32,180 --> 00:52:30,329
and there's a lot of good philosophy and

1366
00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:32,190
them as well as some horrible stuff as

1367
00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:34,200
well but some of the the good stuff in

1368
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:36,150
there is this existential idea that I

1369
00:52:39,260 --> 00:52:37,650
have to separate myself and

1370
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:39,270
differentiate myself from the masses

1371
00:52:42,589 --> 00:52:40,680
starting with my family starting with

1372
00:52:44,180 --> 00:52:42,599
the peers starting with the priests and

1373
00:52:46,940 --> 00:52:44,190
teachers and politicians and the rest of

1374
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:46,950
mankind who think in terms of consensus

1375
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:49,650
I've got to decompress from that I've

1376
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:51,240
got to go cold turkey and that can mean

1377
00:52:54,050 --> 00:52:52,319
different things for different people

1378
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:54,060
some people do have to actually go to a

1379
00:52:56,990 --> 00:52:55,740
forest or go to mountains or go to be

1380
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:57,000
quiet another's don't they can do it

1381
00:52:59,180 --> 00:52:58,319
right in the middle of Adelaide they can

1382
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,190
do it right in the middle of Los Angeles

1383
00:53:02,329 --> 00:53:00,960
they can do it right the middle of their

1384
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:02,339
family because it's a mental process

1385
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:05,010
there's no actual need to you know again

1386
00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:06,810
it's all based in an individual

1387
00:53:11,540 --> 00:53:10,140
subjective treatment of this right but

1388
00:53:13,550 --> 00:53:11,550
it's there that was the thing that

1389
00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:13,560
fascinated me rather than following all

1390
00:53:16,220 --> 00:53:14,760
of these guys along because then there's

1391
00:53:17,540 --> 00:53:16,230
really handing you another manual I

1392
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,550
didn't like that I just like the fact

1393
00:53:21,980 --> 00:53:20,160
that the early the early pointers are

1394
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,990
good and then they send you are on your

1395
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:23,760
own Road you know to me in a personal

1396
00:53:28,550 --> 00:53:26,250
istic sense so this is just the idea

1397
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:28,560
that the masses and their thinking their

1398
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,089
hive think can be as much a an iron cage

1399
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:35,280
of conformity as anything else that

1400
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:37,530
they're bona fide e organizations that

1401
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:39,810
we sign on so white magic ritual we sign

1402
00:53:43,940 --> 00:53:41,970
on for a week cross the dot we sign on

1403
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:43,950
the dotted line we walk across their

1404
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:46,079
thresholds so it's more complex than of

1405
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:47,280
course we can get into now but we'll

1406
00:53:50,460 --> 00:53:47,680
cope

1407
00:53:52,530 --> 00:53:50,470
one thing as you like to say yeah we are

1408
00:53:54,270 --> 00:53:52,540
yes if the secret of my work is really

1409
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:54,280
that that and that's why it's quite

1410
00:53:58,250 --> 00:53:56,170
unpopular in that I keep on bringing

1411
00:54:01,380 --> 00:53:58,260
back the emphasis to how the slave is

1412
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:01,390
complicit in his own enslavement who you

1413
00:54:03,870 --> 00:54:02,770
don't want to get into that if you want

1414
00:54:05,490 --> 00:54:03,880
to be popular I don't want to be popular

1415
00:54:08,130 --> 00:54:05,500
so I don't care so that's why I get into

1416
00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:08,140
it but it's certainly not popular as may

1417
00:54:11,970 --> 00:54:10,270
be your final topic and there's a lot to

1418
00:54:14,250 --> 00:54:11,980
pull apart in what I'm going to throw on

1419
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:14,260
the table but I think it maybe drives

1420
00:54:19,850 --> 00:54:17,410
home in a concrete level what you're

1421
00:54:22,830 --> 00:54:19,860
talking about I sent you a YouTube of

1422
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:22,840
the very excellent Jordan Peterson who

1423
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:26,890
is a champion these days of kind of

1424
00:54:31,860 --> 00:54:28,810
getting in the face of this kind of

1425
00:54:34,500 --> 00:54:31,870
crazy post-modernism that we see on

1426
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:34,510
college campuses and in the social

1427
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:36,250
justice warrior and stuff like that and

1428
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:37,690
and people again have a knee-jerk

1429
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:40,510
reaction go oh you know he's some white

1430
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:42,790
guy or he's alright or it's like man I

1431
00:54:46,650 --> 00:54:44,890
am so far from being all right it's

1432
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:46,660
crazy that doesn't even make any sense

1433
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:47,410
to me

1434
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:50,410
right left partisan you know Republican

1435
00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:52,330
Democrat that's just those ideas I just

1436
00:54:55,380 --> 00:54:54,040
I just have to laugh when people say

1437
00:54:57,900 --> 00:54:55,390
that but that's what people are

1438
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,910
conditioned to believe but here's the

1439
00:55:02,790 --> 00:54:59,440
point that I think touches on your bike

1440
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,800
on your work you have uh somebody like

1441
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:05,440
Jordan Peterson and folks who don't know

1442
00:55:09,420 --> 00:55:07,510
Jordan Peterson I don't know if we can

1443
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,430
kind of bring them up to date but I mean

1444
00:55:15,110 --> 00:55:11,920
is this professor at University of

1445
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:15,120
Toronto which is this bastion of this

1446
00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:18,640
kind of crazy out-of-control postmodern

1447
00:55:22,620 --> 00:55:20,800
liberalism that you know doesn't make

1448
00:55:24,750 --> 00:55:22,630
any sense and wants to arrest people if

1449
00:55:26,670 --> 00:55:24,760
they use the wrong gender pronoun and

1450
00:55:29,490 --> 00:55:26,680
all the rest of this stuff and and he's

1451
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:29,500
really been effective at kind of

1452
00:55:33,570 --> 00:55:31,690
countering that so in a minute we're

1453
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:33,580
going to talk about post-modernism and

1454
00:55:40,620 --> 00:55:36,130
how ridiculous it is and yet at the same

1455
00:55:44,130 --> 00:55:40,630
time it does relate in a way to a

1456
00:55:47,330 --> 00:55:44,140
certain stepping outside of the

1457
00:55:49,350 --> 00:55:47,340
boundaries of conformity and

1458
00:55:52,650 --> 00:55:49,360
understanding the relevant the

1459
00:55:54,990 --> 00:55:52,660
relativistic nature of things at a truth

1460
00:55:56,610 --> 00:55:55,000
level that has been totally obscured

1461
00:55:58,980 --> 00:55:56,620
because the whole project of

1462
00:56:00,430 --> 00:55:58,990
post-modernism has been hijacked and

1463
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:00,440
turned into this

1464
00:56:05,530 --> 00:56:03,130
a way of controlling people another way

1465
00:56:07,329 --> 00:56:05,540
but I digress

1466
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:07,339
yet again that's why I say it's hard to

1467
00:56:13,059 --> 00:56:10,010
pull this apart the YouTube video I sent

1468
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:13,069
you is of Jordan Peterson who is now

1469
00:56:17,890 --> 00:56:15,410
this champion for folks like you and I

1470
00:56:19,690 --> 00:56:17,900
who say God he's just saying the obvious

1471
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:19,700
and I'm so glad it's resonating with

1472
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:21,770
people but he's asked point-blank are

1473
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:25,010
you a Christian and I thought his answer

1474
00:56:31,180 --> 00:56:28,910
was so telling because here's a guy who

1475
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:31,190
is super intelligent in the way that

1476
00:56:36,550 --> 00:56:33,410
you're talking about is a champion of

1477
00:56:39,790 --> 00:56:36,560
all these ideas is articulate is able to

1478
00:56:44,020 --> 00:56:39,800
combat some of these forces and yet he

1479
00:56:47,650 --> 00:56:44,030
hasn't done an hour's worth of research

1480
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:47,660
into this religious system that he holds

1481
00:56:53,260 --> 00:56:50,810
so dear and he stumbles around with well

1482
00:56:55,089 --> 00:56:53,270
yes I'd have to say yes and then the guy

1483
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,099
says well what about the empty tomb

1484
00:56:59,620 --> 00:56:57,200
thing and what about the historical and

1485
00:57:01,660 --> 00:56:59,630
he's like well you know I don't know

1486
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:01,670
all's he has to do is go read the first

1487
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:05,930
page of your book and all that silliness

1488
00:57:10,270 --> 00:57:08,690
would be left aside so there's a bunch

1489
00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:10,280
of questions that we can pull apart

1490
00:57:14,589 --> 00:57:12,230
there but how does this happen

1491
00:57:16,660 --> 00:57:14,599
well he's mainstream give it you give

1492
00:57:18,370 --> 00:57:16,670
him three stars but no more than that

1493
00:57:20,410 --> 00:57:18,380
because you know a person like me who's

1494
00:57:21,819 --> 00:57:20,420
been into the death of this alternative

1495
00:57:23,950 --> 00:57:21,829
movement and the conspiracy movement for

1496
00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:23,960
nearly for over twenty years now looks

1497
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:25,790
with favor on a guy like that but he's

1498
00:57:29,530 --> 00:57:27,530
not that articulate on certain areas

1499
00:57:31,450 --> 00:57:29,540
even even of the subject city handles

1500
00:57:32,829 --> 00:57:31,460
sometimes he's really good and it's it's

1501
00:57:34,660 --> 00:57:32,839
nice and fresh and there's fresh new

1502
00:57:36,460 --> 00:57:34,670
punches you know from a man within the

1503
00:57:37,900 --> 00:57:36,470
system like that I always give stars to

1504
00:57:40,059 --> 00:57:37,910
people from within the system because

1505
00:57:42,250 --> 00:57:40,069
it's needed we had dr. Bruce Lipton on

1506
00:57:44,740 --> 00:57:42,260
our on slate podcast recently same

1507
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:44,750
things you know five stars there for the

1508
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:46,490
work that he's bringing to bear and

1509
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,170
Jordan Peterson for me gets two to three

1510
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:50,000
stars because he does deal with some

1511
00:57:54,579 --> 00:57:52,130
stuff that is it's very very important

1512
00:57:56,140 --> 00:57:54,589
and he lands new perspectives to that

1513
00:57:57,849 --> 00:57:56,150
and as I said he gets another star

1514
00:58:00,160 --> 00:57:57,859
because he's from the inside and it's so

1515
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:00,170
needed those we so need people from the

1516
00:58:04,180 --> 00:58:02,240
inside to be shaking up the the rotten

1517
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:04,190
system but at the same time I've watched

1518
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:06,050
numerous of his programs in which his

1519
00:58:10,809 --> 00:58:09,050
his analysis or his comments on you know

1520
00:58:11,770 --> 00:58:10,819
an area philosophy I can't remember off

1521
00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:11,780
the top of my head right in our

1522
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:14,200
specifics but you know it's been poor

1523
00:58:18,060 --> 00:58:16,030
it hasn't it hasn't been up to scratch

1524
00:58:20,010 --> 00:58:18,070
and and also we've invited him we've

1525
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:20,020
invited him on the podcast our podcast

1526
00:58:24,359 --> 00:58:22,170
several times any flat turns us down and

1527
00:58:25,859 --> 00:58:24,369
won't come on and then some of the

1528
00:58:27,089 --> 00:58:25,869
reasons he gave us a completely spirits

1529
00:58:29,370 --> 00:58:27,099
because two weeks later we find him on a

1530
00:58:31,010 --> 00:58:29,380
does another little knick-knack radio

1531
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:31,020
shows out there that are not as you know

1532
00:58:36,180 --> 00:58:34,000
prestigious or not as in-depth as ours

1533
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:36,190
is or as long-term you know so there's

1534
00:58:39,450 --> 00:58:37,570
something there as well that's very

1535
00:58:40,530 --> 00:58:39,460
peculiar where we and of course it

1536
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:40,540
doesn't just go for him we've invited

1537
00:58:43,950 --> 00:58:42,490
several people on who just turn us down

1538
00:58:46,140 --> 00:58:43,960
flat saying they've got no time they're

1539
00:58:47,609 --> 00:58:46,150
writing a book they'll talk to us later

1540
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:47,619
and then two weeks later or even less

1541
00:58:52,020 --> 00:58:49,210
you see them on a host of other little

1542
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:52,030
you know far less confrontational yeah

1543
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:54,010
you know radio shows I don't know it's

1544
00:58:58,170 --> 00:58:55,450
just it's just a it's just a question

1545
00:59:00,410 --> 00:58:58,180
mark there but oh but that that is let

1546
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:00,420
me jump in there and say you know it is

1547
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:06,010
amazing how people do not will avoid at

1548
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:11,010
every turn any kind of even chance for a

1549
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:13,210
disagreement of any type you know like I

1550
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:14,890
just said you know we were able when I

1551
00:59:19,380 --> 00:59:17,770
was uh none slate we did not agree and

1552
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:19,390
you jump to coming on didn't you jump

1553
00:59:22,770 --> 00:59:20,770
when we called you and you say yeah I'm

1554
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:22,780
coming on we love that why not why can't

1555
00:59:27,660 --> 00:59:24,730
they all do absolutely insane with you

1556
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:27,670
you know so we go through unslaked I was

1557
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:29,680
on there and we did an hour and a half

1558
00:59:33,569 --> 00:59:31,690
or whatever and we have this you know

1559
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:33,579
just really good talk you know about a

1560
00:59:37,020 --> 00:59:35,050
bunch of different stuff but we don't

1561
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:37,030
agree about a lot of stuff and I say hey

1562
00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:40,720
Michael why don't you come on a skeptic

1563
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:42,550
oh and you're like sure so you're not

1564
00:59:47,220 --> 00:59:44,710
they're worried that I'm gonna hit you

1565
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:47,230
with some secret thing you're like wide

1566
00:59:52,140 --> 00:59:49,690
open or you I don't understand how

1567
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:52,150
people cannot be that way I'm like like

1568
00:59:53,849 --> 00:59:53,440
people who asked for questions in

1569
00:59:55,980 --> 00:59:53,859
advance

1570
00:59:57,780 --> 00:59:55,990
hell I'll send you all the questions in

1571
01:00:00,720 --> 00:59:57,790
advance that's not the problem the

1572
01:00:04,190 --> 01:00:00,730
problem is even if I dish him up to you

1573
01:00:06,569 --> 01:00:04,200
in advance you still can't handle

1574
01:00:09,660 --> 01:00:06,579
answering them because you you just

1575
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:09,670
don't want your beliefs challenged is

1576
01:00:12,750 --> 01:00:11,440
what it really amounts to no one wants

1577
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:12,760
what do you what do you call the guy

1578
01:00:16,050 --> 01:00:14,410
when you walk into a fancy restaurant

1579
01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:16,060
and you have to isn't the whole store

1580
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:17,230
somebody who greets you first the

1581
01:00:21,059 --> 01:00:19,450
greeter what maitre d he's a good maitre

1582
01:00:23,220 --> 01:00:21,069
d because there's great people beyond

1583
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:23,230
him Colin Wilson you know G Edward

1584
01:00:27,950 --> 01:00:25,680
Griffin see he's a he's a good

1585
01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:27,960
Maitre D' for the one who's just come in

1586
01:00:32,569 --> 01:00:30,150
to lick the window and believe me he

1587
01:00:35,089 --> 01:00:32,579
gets stars for that but my god there's

1588
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:35,099
geniuses that the thing I want I won't

1589
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:37,890
want to highlight because I think it

1590
01:00:45,020 --> 01:00:42,450
gets to if people find you to be too

1591
01:00:48,260 --> 01:00:45,030
conspiratorial which a lot of people

1592
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:48,270
will what I wanted to point out here is

1593
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,559
a real-life example of exactly what

1594
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,240
you're talking about because Jordan

1595
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:56,640
Peterson is a good guy and he's a smart

1596
01:01:01,309 --> 01:00:59,040
guy why the hell hasn't he looked at his

1597
01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:01,319
own religion why why when that guy

1598
01:01:05,540 --> 01:01:03,720
pushed him and he didn't even push him

1599
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:05,550
the guy just tosses out a question says

1600
01:01:10,250 --> 01:01:07,290
well you know are you quit are you a

1601
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:10,260
Christian and he stumbles and then has

1602
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:12,960
to say well I guess I'd have to say yes

1603
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,210
and then he just says well I don't know

1604
01:01:19,549 --> 01:01:17,280
what to do with that because you I can't

1605
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,559
believe you're really a Christian do you

1606
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:21,359
believe in you know the empty tomb and

1607
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:23,280
he goes to ERISA so how do you not have

1608
01:01:29,809 --> 01:01:25,970
an answer for that this is to your point

1609
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:29,819
precisely how can you go through life

1610
01:01:37,339 --> 01:01:34,170
devote your life to an identity of being

1611
01:01:39,530 --> 01:01:37,349
in this faith group and everything that

1612
01:01:41,780 --> 01:01:39,540
goes with that in this cultural identity

1613
01:01:47,539 --> 01:01:41,790
this caste and it's a club and it's a

1614
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:47,549
caste and not do the work to - if it's

1615
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:50,250
oh if you throw at them what you throw

1616
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:52,559
at them about Christianity or if I throw

1617
01:01:58,579 --> 01:01:55,170
at them about its Roman roots or

1618
01:02:01,730 --> 01:01:58,589
whatever why don't they have a spirited

1619
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:01,740
debate already resolved in their mind in

1620
01:02:06,829 --> 01:02:04,079
order for them to continue to pursue

1621
01:02:08,359 --> 01:02:06,839
that religion but they don't they don't

1622
01:02:10,930 --> 01:02:08,369
want to talk about it they don't want to

1623
01:02:12,380 --> 01:02:10,940
come on your show and debate it why

1624
01:02:16,910 --> 01:02:12,390
wouldn't they

1625
01:02:20,030 --> 01:02:16,920
it just is pure proof of a solid proof

1626
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:20,040
of what you're saying I think oh yeah

1627
01:02:23,809 --> 01:02:22,530
we've had even atheists top people I

1628
01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:23,819
won't mention any names but some of the

1629
01:02:28,130 --> 01:02:26,190
most senior people in you know on

1630
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:28,140
YouTube who are into atheism and we've

1631
01:02:32,210 --> 01:02:30,089
begged them to come on time and time

1632
01:02:35,299 --> 01:02:32,220
again so that you know we can have that

1633
01:02:37,069 --> 01:02:35,309
common again they won't do it so it we

1634
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:37,079
talked about this a few minutes ago the

1635
01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:38,490
weakness is on their side

1636
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:40,710
bankruptcy is completely on their side

1637
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:43,050
so this is that when they do that to me

1638
01:02:46,070 --> 01:02:44,490
it's just further proof that they're not

1639
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:46,080
standing in honor and standing in

1640
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:49,530
integrity well it and I think they're at

1641
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:53,460
a very deep psychological level they're

1642
01:02:59,960 --> 01:02:55,890
afraid and we've all been there

1643
01:03:01,790 --> 01:02:59,970
I mean beliefs are tricky and and I

1644
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:01,800
think particularly with the Christians

1645
01:03:06,349 --> 01:03:04,530
and the atheist both I think what's

1646
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:06,359
going on and you know you just talked

1647
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:09,450
about a Jungian kind of approach to it

1648
01:03:15,050 --> 01:03:11,970
so I'd love to get your thoughts on this

1649
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:15,060
I think people are actually processing

1650
01:03:23,260 --> 01:03:18,930
this information more completely than

1651
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:23,270
they let on so they're processing the

1652
01:03:29,329 --> 01:03:26,480
absolute absurdity of the Christian

1653
01:03:32,060 --> 01:03:29,339
proposition as it's normally kind of

1654
01:03:34,250 --> 01:03:32,070
delivered and they're processing it and

1655
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:34,260
then they're going through how could I

1656
01:03:40,070 --> 01:03:37,290
really live that truth and then they're

1657
01:03:42,589 --> 01:03:40,080
realizing I can't really live that truth

1658
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:42,599
so I better just go this way and I think

1659
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:43,680
the Atheist

1660
01:03:49,550 --> 01:03:46,290
is essentially doing the same thing

1661
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,560
they're processing the absurdity of

1662
01:03:53,690 --> 01:03:51,839
their position that their life is

1663
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:53,700
meaningless Michael well I don't really

1664
01:04:00,500 --> 01:03:57,450
believe my mom that's fantastic yeah

1665
01:04:01,849 --> 01:04:00,510
great great point yeah I can add to that

1666
01:04:04,550 --> 01:04:01,859
one thing and that is that they they

1667
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:04,560
refuse to sensitize themselves you know

1668
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:06,000
it's a matter of sensitivity and

1669
01:04:09,050 --> 01:04:07,020
remember the only person who can

1670
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:09,060
sensitize the insensitive is the one

1671
01:04:13,609 --> 01:04:11,310
himself so any kind of badgering from

1672
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:13,619
the outside or laying your heart out and

1673
01:04:17,329 --> 01:04:15,210
laying the facts I will to an

1674
01:04:18,620 --> 01:04:17,339
insensitive person everyone listening to

1675
01:04:20,510 --> 01:04:18,630
us knows it doesn't work they themselves

1676
01:04:22,849 --> 01:04:20,520
have to go through some sort of apathy

1677
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,859
Anik experience were then they change

1678
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:24,480
from within I think there's a lot of

1679
01:04:31,070 --> 01:04:27,839
truth to that um Michael this has been a

1680
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:31,080
fantastic hour just kind of ripping

1681
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,599
through stuff and in this kind of way

1682
01:04:37,310 --> 01:04:35,760
that we should do more often I'd love to

1683
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,320
have you on more and connect with you

1684
01:04:40,820 --> 01:04:39,119
particularly about as things happen

1685
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:40,830
because I think you would bring a unique

1686
01:04:46,490 --> 01:04:43,200
perspective to it but we've only touched

1687
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:46,500
so briefly on your current work and

1688
01:04:52,010 --> 01:04:49,290
stuff that's going on with you what else

1689
01:04:52,610 --> 01:04:52,020
should we tell people about things that

1690
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:52,620
are going

1691
01:04:57,410 --> 01:04:54,570
you mentioned the unsafe podcast I

1692
01:05:00,080 --> 01:04:57,420
highly recommend it you have just a

1693
01:05:03,410 --> 01:05:00,090
great dialogue David and you are a good

1694
01:05:05,660 --> 01:05:03,420
team you really bring some issues and

1695
01:05:07,460 --> 01:05:05,670
add to each other what are some of the

1696
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:07,470
shows you have coming up and what are

1697
01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:08,640
some of the shows you've done recently

1698
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:10,500
and then also tell us about some of

1699
01:05:15,260 --> 01:05:12,690
these books that are new and that you

1700
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:15,270
might be working on yeah there's a the

1701
01:05:19,580 --> 01:05:16,530
dragon mother came out a couple of

1702
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:19,590
months ago we haven't done a podcast on

1703
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:20,970
that yet because we get so much on the

1704
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:23,130
calendar but you're right we have lots

1705
01:05:26,210 --> 01:05:24,960
of stuff coming up but a lot of my work

1706
01:05:27,740 --> 01:05:26,220
too for people to understand it because

1707
01:05:29,570 --> 01:05:27,750
you mentioned it being conspiratorial

1708
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:29,580
and all even more than that

1709
01:05:33,290 --> 01:05:31,770
is my motive for doing anything for

1710
01:05:35,780 --> 01:05:33,300
putting pen to paper for doing the

1711
01:05:37,550 --> 01:05:35,790
podcast is to honor the great minds of

1712
01:05:39,710 --> 01:05:37,560
the past I I very much believe that the

1713
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:39,720
past is the repository of truth so

1714
01:05:42,740 --> 01:05:41,010
whenever we meet a problem in today's

1715
01:05:46,270 --> 01:05:42,750
world and I don't care if it's economic

1716
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:46,280
or social or whatever it might be right

1717
01:05:50,090 --> 01:05:48,540
we need to look back into the archive of

1718
01:05:51,950 --> 01:05:50,100
the past because our ancestors did

1719
01:05:54,350 --> 01:05:51,960
things the right way the first time

1720
01:05:56,420 --> 01:05:54,360
around so my work is distinguished by

1721
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:56,430
being homages really to various people

1722
01:06:01,100 --> 01:05:58,880
you know like dragon mother was written

1723
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:01,110
not just to express the ideas that are

1724
01:06:05,030 --> 01:06:02,610
in dragon mother but as an homage to

1725
01:06:07,250 --> 01:06:05,040
people like quickly tell folks about

1726
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:07,260
dragon mother because it's quite

1727
01:06:15,230 --> 01:06:10,290
provocative particularly in this time

1728
01:06:18,620 --> 01:06:15,240
that we're in with rise of the the

1729
01:06:20,660 --> 01:06:18,630
reemergence of the neo feminism kind of

1730
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:20,670
craziness and some of the other stuff

1731
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:23,250
that's going on well I'd like my book to

1732
01:06:26,810 --> 01:06:25,170
not even be identified with any of that

1733
01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:26,820
of course you're always identified with

1734
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:28,110
the milieu that you happen to be in of

1735
01:06:32,060 --> 01:06:30,450
course but this is a this vaster study

1736
01:06:33,710 --> 01:06:32,070
comes under the heading of psychology

1737
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,720
obviously a lot of philosophies involved

1738
01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:35,280
in it but it's basically as I said an

1739
01:06:40,310 --> 01:06:38,760
homage to a couple of well the

1740
01:06:41,570 --> 01:06:40,320
dedications are in the first part of the

1741
01:06:43,340 --> 01:06:41,580
book so people can read them there but

1742
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:43,350
the two that I could certainly mention

1743
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:44,640
that have inspired the work where

1744
01:06:49,210 --> 01:06:46,890
Immanuel Velikovsky you know we all

1745
01:06:52,970 --> 01:06:49,220
considered a great hero of mine and also

1746
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:52,980
arish Newman the the Jungian so arish

1747
01:06:56,540 --> 01:06:55,050
Newman you see wrote a book right that

1748
01:07:00,140 --> 01:06:56,550
didn't get published when he was alive

1749
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:00,150
Alex II he wrote a book on child

1750
01:07:06,410 --> 01:07:03,690
psychology that wasn't ever published in

1751
01:07:06,700 --> 01:07:06,420
his lifetime and then finally when the

1752
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:06,710
young

1753
01:07:11,470 --> 01:07:09,200
under publishing it they published it in

1754
01:07:12,990 --> 01:07:11,480
a sort of a mishmash you know of just as

1755
01:07:15,609 --> 01:07:13,000
essays it wasn't put together

1756
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:15,619
particularly well and so if you read it

1757
01:07:19,810 --> 01:07:17,359
people can be very very very confused

1758
01:07:21,730 --> 01:07:19,820
it seems very haphazard there is a

1759
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:21,740
structure within it but you know he died

1760
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:23,570
the man passed away and they didn't do

1761
01:07:29,790 --> 01:07:26,000
justice to his book so the dragon mother

1762
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:29,800
was to pick up the story of the foetus

1763
01:07:34,930 --> 01:07:32,240
not and here and here's the answer to

1764
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:34,940
your question not as the fetus becomes

1765
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:37,810
or the infant becomes conscious at the

1766
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:40,640
eatable stage which can happen about two

1767
01:07:43,660 --> 01:07:42,170
and a half three years old and goes up

1768
01:07:46,030 --> 01:07:43,670
to the latency period you know but six

1769
01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:46,040
and seven this has been thousands of

1770
01:07:48,730 --> 01:07:47,030
thousands of books have been written

1771
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:48,740
about that whole institutions of

1772
01:07:52,540 --> 01:07:50,690
psychology exist you know based on that

1773
01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:52,550
sort of quasi Freudian model right

1774
01:07:58,660 --> 01:07:54,910
but Eric Newman Eric Newman was this

1775
01:08:01,720 --> 01:07:58,670
Jungian who fully cognizant of the

1776
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:01,730
Jungian and the Freudian systems right

1777
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:05,599
took it back into the womb took took

1778
01:08:09,220 --> 01:08:07,520
took the influence of the parents

1779
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:09,230
especially the mother you see into the

1780
01:08:13,300 --> 01:08:11,570
womb so that's where the book then picks

1781
01:08:14,890 --> 01:08:13,310
up because I wanted to do justice to his

1782
01:08:16,110 --> 01:08:14,900
ideas in that book I wanted to make them

1783
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:16,120
much more user-friendly and

1784
01:08:19,289 --> 01:08:17,600
understandable I thought it was a

1785
01:08:21,550 --> 01:08:19,299
tragedy that the the book was not

1786
01:08:22,930 --> 01:08:21,560
organized correctly and had basically

1787
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:22,940
fallen off the map even a lot of young

1788
01:08:26,019 --> 01:08:24,290
kids don't know about that book you see

1789
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:26,029
and then to bring to bear other ideas

1790
01:08:30,099 --> 01:08:28,130
from say Otto rank and Melanie Klein as

1791
01:08:32,530 --> 01:08:30,109
I said all my work the Irish origins

1792
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:32,540
work the architects of control you know

1793
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:34,370
the you'll all see that they're

1794
01:08:38,650 --> 01:08:36,170
dedicated to this and that person be it

1795
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,660
young Vietnam in Viet Velikovsky the

1796
01:08:42,729 --> 01:08:40,880
admire any client or Alice Miller you

1797
01:08:44,890 --> 01:08:42,739
know the or even Commons Beaumont if you

1798
01:08:47,140 --> 01:08:44,900
go back into the Irish origins work so

1799
01:08:49,870 --> 01:08:47,150
all my work is motivated by that and

1800
01:08:51,729 --> 01:08:49,880
then that itself then right is is

1801
01:08:54,670 --> 01:08:51,739
predicated on the idea that please

1802
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:54,680
people never fear never be pessimistic

1803
01:08:58,180 --> 01:08:56,210
about your life in your future because

1804
01:09:00,130 --> 01:08:58,190
your ancestors have already done things

1805
01:09:01,930 --> 01:09:00,140
the right way so if you really have a

1806
01:09:04,269 --> 01:09:01,940
love of history you know they say that

1807
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:04,279
love philosophy is love of wisdom yes

1808
01:09:06,430 --> 01:09:05,450
but you can also have a love of history

1809
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:06,440
I don't know what the word would be

1810
01:09:09,550 --> 01:09:08,239
figlio history or whatever history

1811
01:09:11,769 --> 01:09:09,560
should be loved because it's an

1812
01:09:14,769 --> 01:09:11,779
Aladdin's Cave of ideas that we should

1813
01:09:17,050 --> 01:09:14,779
recycle update spring clean and bring to

1814
01:09:18,700 --> 01:09:17,060
bear or you know to the problems that we

1815
01:09:20,269 --> 01:09:18,710
face today because there's not a problem

1816
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:20,279
that we face today I know people

1817
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:21,839
don't think this the pessimistic kind of

1818
01:09:25,730 --> 01:09:23,460
mind thinks it's overwhelming what can

1819
01:09:27,710 --> 01:09:25,740
we do but that my message to them is

1820
01:09:29,660 --> 01:09:27,720
very simple you do as was done by

1821
01:09:31,970 --> 01:09:29,670
Pericles you do as was done by Otto von

1822
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:31,980
Bismarck you do as he was done by you

1823
01:09:36,559 --> 01:09:34,170
know a Carl Jung or whoever you know the

1824
01:09:38,269 --> 01:09:36,569
Otto rank Gerald Massey some of the

1825
01:09:39,860 --> 01:09:38,279
names that I mean Immanuel Velikovsky

1826
01:09:42,499 --> 01:09:39,870
there's treasures within treasures that

1827
01:09:44,329 --> 01:09:42,509
are multifarious and can be applied to

1828
01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:44,339
every situation both domestically

1829
01:09:48,590 --> 01:09:46,440
personally and even socially in the

1830
01:09:50,180 --> 01:09:48,600
archives of the past and so to cut

1831
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:50,190
yourself off and alienate yourself and

1832
01:09:53,380 --> 01:09:51,690
be sourced ranged you know following the

1833
01:09:57,740 --> 01:09:53,390
headlines and being into the median got

1834
01:10:00,230 --> 01:09:57,750
overwhelming and to forget the names of

1835
01:10:01,940 --> 01:10:00,240
the people that came before us the

1836
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,950
mighty minds men and women who came

1837
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,840
before us who've already worked these

1838
01:10:08,030 --> 01:10:06,480
problems art you know and given it in a

1839
01:10:09,650 --> 01:10:08,040
you know giving it to us and then and

1840
01:10:12,110 --> 01:10:09,660
the list is endless of these people so I

1841
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:12,120
try to pick the ones that I like the

1842
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:14,250
best and then most of my books are

1843
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,770
written around an homage of a character

1844
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:18,480
that's one that's one way to understand

1845
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:19,890
all my different work it's an homage to

1846
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:22,290
somebody you know I gather laurel leaves

1847
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:24,090
for these great people and make sure

1848
01:10:28,130 --> 01:10:26,250
that their graves are tended and that's

1849
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:28,140
basically my motive you know and the

1850
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:30,510
wonderful thing about that Michael that

1851
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:34,320
I just know you appreciate but the

1852
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:39,120
process of revisiting and reintroducing

1853
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:43,110
those ideas updates them by the very

1854
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:46,410
process so it's not like you're looking

1855
01:10:50,450 --> 01:10:49,050
backwards because I've read I haven't

1856
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:50,460
read all your books but I've sampled

1857
01:10:56,650 --> 01:10:53,910
them and they are very contemporary they

1858
01:10:59,960 --> 01:10:56,660
are very relevant to what's going on

1859
01:11:04,330 --> 01:10:59,970
because in the process of looking you

1860
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:04,340
are a modern of thinker and a very well

1861
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schooled in modern thought thinker so

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the mere process of you looking back and

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doing that amage is not only reminding

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us of what's been been done but bringing

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it to relevancy in our current time and

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that's what I felt like when I did dip

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into the to the latest book and the work

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and I understand it isn't directly about

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feminism or the men's movement or you

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know the the craziness that

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is ensued there or in gender issues and

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all that but at the same time it's so

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tuned in to what's going on that no one

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can read it and not have an immediate

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sense that this is relevant to our times

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I will say though that in one sense

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because it is about women in their

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psychology yes it could be seen as a non

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non consciously it will deaf you know

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probably there is because the focus has

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been so much on the malignancy of the

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male let's put it that way and books

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have been written and it's a legitimate

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legitimate subject you know that women

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are concerned about but that seem to

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have moved now top-heavy so maybe in a

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non conscious way there was an element

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off you say hey wait a minute wait a

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minute wait a minute you know I'm not

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because personally I'm not in the

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victimhood I know you're not either so

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any cult whether it's on the male side

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or the female side that that espouses

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victimhood and by God are we need deepen

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and today then you know I'm your enemy

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straight up so so on on an unconscious

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level it was more like hey girls you

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know let's focus back on your psychology

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and since none of you seem to be

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interested in doing it especially in the

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way that Newman was framing it then I

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thought this is this is necessary

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because the female psyche has been left

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out of the equation now when all the

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focus is really on the male peccadilloes

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and the male in the mail for pause and

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the male way of life and in the

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paradigms of paternity and patriarchy

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yeah I think that's great I'm not really

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against that but at the same time it

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must be balanced right with a look at

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what the female psyche is because

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they're entwined aren't they they

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overlap they cannot be thought of one

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without the other

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well the whole idea of a female psyche

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would be an offense to the modern kind

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of sensibility of the social justice

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warrior there can be no such thing as a

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female psyche that's where I'm saying I

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mean the the whole framing of the book

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is controversial in that sense and and

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yet as the more you dig into it and

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expose it from a historical perspective

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I think it just exposes the craziness of

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that argument of course there's a female

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psyche of course we've we've dealt with

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it through history and there's been all

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this great thinking about it why would

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we

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post introspective world and so Misaki

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plays no role psychology write the word

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psyche means soul it's in psychiatry

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it's in psychology it's in

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psychoanalysis do you think any one of

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those three groups ever give a

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about the soul no they use the very word

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soul or from the Latin psyche and yet

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they're dealing with I don't know what

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the brain or a behavior or whatever the

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soul plays no role in anything today let

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alone in there is that you just

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mentioned and you're and rightly so so

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I'm bringing my psychology is truly

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psycho psychology it is the psychology

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of the soul and when a fetus I say let's

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put it this way when you're born and

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you're a girl and you're in the mother's

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womb you better believe that her

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psychology is affecting you and then the

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is affecting you on such an implicit

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level that as you move towards the

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01:14:42,570 --> 01:14:40,450
masculine world that the you know that

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the soul our world this lunar

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consciousness is your basis your roots

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and it's not all positive so the point

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we know there are four very great

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positives and and women groups have

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focused on the you know the positive

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aspects of the maternal and the feminine

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psyche and the need to embody that again

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but the trouble is with them is that

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they seem to be incapable of looking at

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also the negative sides of the female

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psyche and believe me both male psyche

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and famille female psyche have dark

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01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:08,530
sides and the dark side of the female

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psyche is a subject that is completely

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fallen off the shelf in all areas yeah

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the books that focus on I mention on my

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website there that few that probably

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01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:20,710
you'll only know about them by coming to

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01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:22,960
my website dragon mother org you know

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:24,490
and checking it out there that few and

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01:15:29,190 --> 01:15:27,610
then so that so yeah there's definitely

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been an interest in my view see it's

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actually you wouldn't believe this but

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the the subject that's preoccupied me

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the longest has been the female psyche

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right like it dates from the late 80s

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actually when I first get you know

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intrigued with that so all my other work

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that people who are familiar with all of

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01:15:48,690 --> 01:15:46,180
it is a footnote to this greater

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interest of mine which is psychology in

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general and the female psyche

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particularly so dragon mother is the

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product of researchers that have been

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done since about 1988-89 can you believe

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01:16:00,610 --> 01:15:58,810
and then it was put into the the dragon

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mother this year so this year you can

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01:16:04,810 --> 01:16:02,540
has been a very big milestone for me and

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a feeling of great achievement you know

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by finally putting my ideas into the

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into the book and into the website and

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we will be doing podcasts on it down the

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line you asked what we'll be doing in

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the future

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certainly that one will be you know

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coming up in the next couple of weeks or

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months blog really look forward to that

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I think you've tapped into something

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01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:26,110
that is very very deep and and amazingly

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01:16:30,580 --> 01:16:28,490
interesting on so many different levels

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01:16:32,740 --> 01:16:30,590
so the book again is dragon mother and I

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do look forward to hearing more episodes

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01:16:38,710 --> 01:16:35,510
of that on your excellent podcast

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01:16:43,210 --> 01:16:38,720
unslaked do check out michael's other

2009
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:43,220
work and kick in a few bucks to his to

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01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:46,010
his film project the occult history of

2011
01:16:49,780 --> 01:16:47,840
ireland i think it's going to be a

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01:16:52,150 --> 01:16:49,790
worthwhile venture and i'm in i'm

2013
01:16:54,220 --> 01:16:52,160
kicking in a few bucks so please join me

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in that michael like I said it's been

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great having you on and I do hope we

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01:17:00,820 --> 01:16:58,610
stay in touch and can reconnect on some

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01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:00,830
other things that will be going on in

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the future so thanks again thank you

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Alex and keep up the great work my

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01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:06,560
friend thanks again to Michael to

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01:17:10,660 --> 01:17:08,450
Zairian for joining me today on skeptic

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01:17:12,730 --> 01:17:10,670
oh I guess the question I'd have to tea

2023
01:17:14,980 --> 01:17:12,740
up from this interview and I could pick

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01:17:17,020 --> 01:17:14,990
many and I hope you all will some

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01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:17,030
additional ones other than the race one

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01:17:20,830 --> 01:17:19,250
but that's the one I guess I have to

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01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:20,840
lead with because that's what I led with

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01:17:25,620 --> 01:17:22,970
at the beginning of the show and the

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01:17:29,890 --> 01:17:25,630
question would be around this topic of

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race and extended consciousness I think

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01:17:33,730 --> 01:17:31,820
it totally just doesn't make any sense

2032
01:17:35,950 --> 01:17:33,740
when you look at race from an extended

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01:17:38,050 --> 01:17:35,960
consciousness perspective like we talked

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about whether it's near-death experience

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01:17:42,820 --> 01:17:40,370
or mediumship past life between lives

2036
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:42,830
all that stuff I think just makes it all

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01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:45,650
look rather ridiculous at the same time

2038
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:49,250
we have to acknowledge that the way we

2039
01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:52,730
treat it is strange I mean why is it

2040
01:17:57,460 --> 01:17:55,280
that some druid like Emma rest'll or can

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01:17:59,770 --> 01:17:57,470
talk about connection to blood in

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01:18:01,870 --> 01:17:59,780
connection to land and no one's calling

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01:18:04,780 --> 01:18:01,880
her out on being racist but that's

2044
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:04,790
exactly what it is and then someone else

2045
01:18:09,550 --> 01:18:06,650
talks about all the benefits that's been

2046
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:09,560
bestowed on them by virtue of the fact

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01:18:13,930 --> 01:18:12,170
that they have this particular bloodline

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01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:13,940
or genetic connection

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01:18:18,610 --> 01:18:16,010
and immediately that's a hot button for

2050
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:18,620
people and what about all the real

2051
01:18:25,180 --> 01:18:22,370
scientific questions there I mean how

2052
01:18:27,220 --> 01:18:25,190
does epigenetics really work does it

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01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:27,230
follow a bloodline does it follow a

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01:18:32,710 --> 01:18:30,560
genetic line or as Rupert Sheldrake's

2055
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:32,720
research on morphic resonance points out

2056
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:36,530
is it more of a group social phenomenon

2057
01:18:41,710 --> 01:18:38,840
so there's really a lot to deconstruct

2058
01:18:45,220 --> 01:18:41,720
on this topic and that's why I guess I'm

2059
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:45,230
so grateful that people like Michael to

2060
01:18:51,730 --> 01:18:49,610
Zairian are willing to go there well

2061
01:18:54,850 --> 01:18:51,740
that's gonna do it for this episode of

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01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:54,860
skeptic oh I have more coming up as I

2063
01:18:59,260 --> 01:18:57,170
mentioned before if you're interested in

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01:19:01,600 --> 01:18:59,270
getting more involved in this community

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01:19:03,130 --> 01:19:01,610
do drop me an e-mail if you're

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interested in commenting on the show

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01:19:09,940 --> 01:19:05,720
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show as always thanks for coming along

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on this skeptical ride I hope you

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01:19:26,860 --> 01:19:25,970
enjoyed it until next time take care and

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bye for now

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wasn't really a video but just an audio

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